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  • I was originally going to make a post in the Dark Curse comment section, but this became too long.


    To summarise, the S7 curse is not the Dark Curse that we know, but is a parallel version from nFTL, much like there are parallel characters and worlds.

    In all castings of the Dark Curse, apart from the Black Fairy's, the constituent ingredient required is to sacrifice the heart of the thing you love most (BF's was different as she instead used vast quantities of black fairy dust and was also the creator of the curse). Also, every single Dark Curse revolves around Storybrooke which BF built into the curse ("I know you think you own this town, but I invented it; all of it!").

    This new curse appears to be one of two things: the nFTL equivalent of the Dark Curse, and/or a completely different curse. This curse is not connected to SB at all: instead of creating an isolated town, it has crammed a new neighbourhood into a busy city. Also, Drizella states that the curse's only ingredients are the combined magic of the Coven, and "magic from a witch who crushed the heart of the thing she loved most". And instead of casting the curse in a cauldron (or a fire, S1 retcon), Regina's magic (in the form of blood) is placed in a magical symbol with the Coven combining their magic to give the curse physical form.

    So now in OUAT, there are two Dark Curses:
    1. The Dark Curse, created by the Black Fairy in FTL, centred on Storybrooke.
    2. The New Dark Curse, created by the Coven in nFTL, centred on Hyperion Heights.

    This new curse may still be called the "Dark Curse", but is a parallel version of it from nFTL, much like there are parallel versions of characters and worlds. Thoughts?

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    • Very likely. But also... Remember how Regina says when she visits the old building with Emma to find Lily, in season 4, she says "Why have gone through trouble of creating Storybrooke when I could've just sent everyone here." (From my head xD) So the Dark Curse can probably send people to where the caster wants. So it maybe is a parallel version of it, but I don't know :/

      We've seen soo many ways to cast the curse, like with the fairy dust, so one more way wouldn't surprise me. 

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    • Considering if it was the old Dark Curse it would cause a lot of plot holes, I agree with this theory. Or else the whole heart-splitting in 3B was pointless, and how would Regina not have known of that since she was the one who had possessed it for so long? It only makes sense this is a different curse.

      Also hope that this one has the time travel element that other people were theorizing about. The theory is that this curse sent them back in time a few years so they can’t return to Storybrooke as it would cause a time paradox. I want this to be true, even if they haven’t confirmed it, because it would make more sense why The Charming aren’t coming for them. It also explains how they are in 2017, where Henry is supposed to be 16.

      Or maybe each of the witches possesses a different type of magic (time, memory, etc) and the power of them coupled with Regina’s makes it strong enough to break the barriers of previous curses.

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    • They established by the breaking of blood magic that the coven witches are pretty powerful. Gothel even broke the Dark Curse effects on Regina by growing a plant. Not that extraordinary, but still no minor feat.

      The Dark Curse is the same Dark Curse. The Dark Curse created Storybrooke. However, it was established that the Dark Curse served a number of functions. You can use it to travel, freeze time, etc. Sort of like a wish.

      There weren't any "retcons" in a bad sense. There are different effects for different folk.

      Black Fairy used dark fairy dust (which is a jack of all trades kind of magic), but prior Fiona had to use ingredients. Regina didn't have that, so she had to use certain ingredients and tailor made some aspects. Pan copied Regina. Then, Regina copied what she did before. Hook's curse it the more questionable one.

      The Coven followed Fiona's route by using a lot of Dark Magic, plus Regina as the key ingredient/ focal point of their combined magic. 

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    • Eskaver wrote: They established by the breaking of blood magic that the coven witches are pretty powerful. Gothel even broke the Dark Curse effects on Regina by growing a plant. Not that extraordinary, but still no minor feat.

      We did see the First Curse being broken for certain people with Emma's name, pixie dust and Emma kissing Graham. There are established ways to weaken the DC.

      Eskaver wrote: There weren't any "retcons" in a bad sense. There are different effects for different folk.

      By this I mean that in 102, the concept of enchanted hearts had not been thought up by the writers, hence why heart-ripping killed the victim and why in 102, Regina simply threw the heart into the flames to activate the curse. The concept was created in 107, hence why later castings required the heart to be crushed. In addition, the curse was now prepared in a cauldron instead of tossing ingredients in a fire.

      Eskaver wrote: Black Fairy used dark fairy dust (which is a jack of all trades kind of magic), but prior Fiona had to use ingredients. Regina didn't have that, so she had to use certain ingredients and tailor made some aspects. Pan copied Regina. Then, Regina copied what she did before. Hook's curse it the more questionable one.

      In Fiona's first attempt, plus Regina's, Pan's and Snow's, they followed the recipe on the curse scroll. In her actual curse, Fiona used dark fairy dust as you say in a "jack of all trades" fashion (a good way of putting it). Hook's seems more unclear. But in all castings other than Fiona's dark fairy dust, a heart is required.

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    • NickM98 wrote:We did see the First Curse being broken for certain people with Emma's name, pixie dust and Emma kissing Graham. There are established ways to weaken the DC.

      Pixie Dust is really powerful as is TLK, that's why I said it was a mentionable feat. By this I mean that in 102, the concept of enchanted hearts had not been thought up by the writers, hence why heart-ripping killed the victim and why in 102, Regina simply threw the heart into the flames to activate the curse. The concept was created in 107, hence why later castings required the heart to be crushed. In addition, the curse was now prepared in a cauldron instead of tossing ingredients in a fire.

      I was more along the lines of "semantics". The fire, cauldron, or lighting it a flame or dust, they are like different ways to cook chicken and regardless of which appliance you get cooked chicken. It's very minor and is akin to when they hand wave spells that they also have potions for. In Fiona's first attempt, plus Regina's, Pan's and Snow's, they followed the recipe on the curse scroll. In her actual curse, Fiona used dark fairy dust as you say in a "jack of all trades" fashion (a good way of putting it). Hook's seems more unclear. But in all castings other than Fiona's dark fairy dust, a heart is required.

      It's a balancing act of sorts. In the less traditional way, Fiona created a superstrong dark curse and sacrificed noone. The cost was more mechanical (actually acquiring that much dust) than emotional. I see Gothel/Drizella's as something in between. They have really powerful magic, but they still need a tie-in to the original dark curse because they aren't that powerful. We'd have to get more on the witches.

      Answers in bold.

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    • Hook's curse is worst iteration of the Dark Curse

      -It was cast by throwing a heart in Merlin's communicator "message" spell

      -Its effect was a merely transportation spell

      -It was never broken so the Camelot gang never got their memories back

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Hook's curse is worst iteration of the Dark Curse

      -It was cast by throwing a heart in Merlin's communicator "message" spell

      -Its effect was a merely transportation spell

      -It was never broken so the Camelot gang never got their memories back

      Yep. It's the biggest anomaly but then again...Swan Song (shudders).

      I don't know what was going on there unless Merlin used future sight and pruposefully made the Dark Curse for Hook.

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    • I'm confused. People keep saying that it was the combination of the magic of the Coven of the Eight that created the witch, even though it was stated that there were eight ingredients, not magic (Regina: "I can't just... can't just cast a curse. It takes time, and... ingredients."  Drizella: "Eight, to be exact."). 

      Honestly, I think assuming that this is a new curse is a bold claim, and it either needs to be confirmed on screen or by a writer/A&E. 

      I think the safest thing we can do to avoid inaccuracies is accept Eskaver's chicken theory/analogy.

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    • So, who is the curse caster for the S7 Dark Curse? 

      Regina?

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    • 8Rob wrote: So, who is the curse caster for the S7 Dark Curse? 

      Regina?

      I would direct you to the comment section of the Dark Curse article.

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    • Thanks

      Ok, it's Regina's curse then. I agree with that

      But Hook's curse was never broken, as the article says. 

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    • This is interesting to think about. It makes sense that this dark curse is a "new version", since we are in a New Fairy Tale Land.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      So, who is the curse caster for the S7 Dark Curse? 

      Regina?

      Wouldn't the caster(s) be the eight witches in the coven: Drizella, Gothel, Regina, and the 5 mystery ones? I mean Regina got fake memories and everything, so it can't just be her curse.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      So, who is the curse caster for the S7 Dark Curse? 

      Regina?

      Wouldn't the caster(s) be the eight witches in the coven: Drizella, Gothel, Regina, and the 5 mystery ones? I mean Regina got fake memories and everything, so it can't just be her curse.

      Snow lost her memories, and it was her own curse. 

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    • OUAT: The Darkness wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      So, who is the curse caster for the S7 Dark Curse? 

      Regina?

      Wouldn't the caster(s) be the eight witches in the coven: Drizella, Gothel, Regina, and the 5 mystery ones? I mean Regina got fake memories and everything, so it can't just be her curse.
      Snow lost her memories, and it was her own curse. 

      Snow lost her memories only because Zelena threw in the memory wipe, just like Emma wiped the memories of Hook/Nimue's curse. Since no one threw a memory wipe into the Coven's curse, clearly Regina is not the sole caster.

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:
      OUAT: The Darkness wrote:
      CoolDudeAl wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      So, who is the curse caster for the S7 Dark Curse? 

      Regina?

      Wouldn't the caster(s) be the eight witches in the coven: Drizella, Gothel, Regina, and the 5 mystery ones? I mean Regina got fake memories and everything, so it can't just be her curse.
      Snow lost her memories, and it was her own curse. 
      Snow lost her memories only because Zelena threw in the memory wipe, just like Emma wiped the memories of Hook/Nimue's curse. Since no one threw a memory wipe into the Coven's curse, clearly Regina is not the sole caster.

      That is very true didn't think of that. Now, that I'm thinking about it, the Coven actually prepared the Dark Curse, similar to Hook or Snow (with the help of Regina). Regina only contributed one ingredient. 

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    • CoolDudeAl wrote:

      Since no one threw a memory wipe into the Coven's curse, clearly Regina is not the sole caster.

      They probably did it before Zelena/Regian arrived since they knew Regina would have no choice

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    • I see the Dark Curse as a sort of wish (that comes with a cost upfront). 

      Who's curse is it? Whoever's wish is being fulfilled.

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      I see the Dark Curse as a sort of wish (that comes with a cost upfront). 

      Who's curse is it? Whoever's wish is being fulfilled.

      Regina's wish was her happy ending in 1x01. But the Dark Curse didn't make her happy (2x17), Henry did. (3x09)

      And Henry had nothing to do with the Dark Curse, because Emma and Baelfire came to the LWM by their own means 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I see the Dark Curse as a sort of wish (that comes with a cost upfront). 

      Who's curse is it? Whoever's wish is being fulfilled.

      Regina's wish was her happy ending in 1x01. But the Dark Curse didn't make her happy (2x17), Henry did. (3x09)

      And Henry had nothing to do with the Dark Curse, because Emma and Baelfire came to the LWM by their own means 

      Not really. Her wish was to take away everyone else's (most importantly, Snow's). She thought that would make her happy (which we all know it didn't.)

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    • Eskaver wrote:
      8Rob wrote:
      Eskaver wrote:
      I see the Dark Curse as a sort of wish (that comes with a cost upfront). 

      Who's curse is it? Whoever's wish is being fulfilled.

      Regina's wish was her happy ending in 1x01. But the Dark Curse didn't make her happy (2x17), Henry did. (3x09)

      And Henry had nothing to do with the Dark Curse, because Emma and Baelfire came to the LWM by their own means 

      Not really. Her wish was to take away everyone else's (most importantly, Snow's). She thought that would make her happy (which we all know it didn't.)

      Regina said in 1x01 that the curse would take them away to somewhere horrible where the only happy ending would be her OWN.  And when Snow asked Regina why she did this Regina responds with "because this is my happy ending."  So I disagree that her wish was to take away everyone's happy ending.  Her wish was to finally get her own happy ending, it just so happened that for her to get her happy ending everyone else couldn't get theirs.  

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    • DSP88 wrote:  Her wish was to finally get her own happy ending, it just so happened that for her to get her happy ending everyone else couldn't get theirs.  

      I know and hear what you're saying. I'm arguing more along the lines that Regina thought her happy ending (and wish via curse) was Snow's unhappiness. It shown thoughout the seasons that Regina only thinks that she can be happy if Snow's suffering, unhappy, or dead.

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