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  • I wanted to slap Mary Margaret across her snow white face in Enter the Dragon. 

    When she and Charming find Regina after her first attempt of infiltrating the QOD gang, Snow is SO SO SO SO RUDE to her. She's like "OMG REGINA I can't believe that after this one night of pretending to be evil you don't have all the answers we need. You're worthless and all you did was vandalize this car. SHAME." 

    Like WTF, Snow?! YOU asked her to go undercover.YOU asked her to keep your stupid secret from Emma. She doesn't have to do any of this for you. Regina is putting her life in danger to go undercover and she's letting Emma think it was her idea not Snow's. 

    Why is Snow being such an ungrateful biotch? Charming seems to be just following her around like a big dummy, too. Their whole dynamic is so bizarre now. I used to ship Snowing so much, but now they are two of my least favorite characters. 

    What are your thoughts? Does anyone still actually like Snow or think she's not a total bish? What happened to Charming's personality?! 

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    • Well, Snow isn't that knowledgeable of how undercover works. I like Snow; she's realistic enough and not out of character or anything. Snow is trying to save her child from darkness, by committing and act of dark secrecy. Snow was told by her mother before she died to always carry good in your heart and she now pretty much takes that to an extreme and mixes her bratty young self into it. Snow is reasonable to me, Regina is her stepmother which killed everyone she loved and made her life the mess it is and now she sees she's changing and she's asking for help from someone she looked up to long ago.

      David is always a non-factor in their relationship, lol. Snow has had the dominant role for years. I remember that irritating "David, we failed today. Charming just accepted it as fact.

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    • She seems fine to me.

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    • Marissaloohoo wrote:
      I wanted to slap Mary Margaret across her snow white face in Enter the Dragon. 

      When she and Charming find Regina after her first attempt of infiltrating the QOD gang, Snow is SO SO SO SO RUDE to her. She's like "OMG REGINA I can't believe that after this one night of pretending to be evil you don't have all the answers we need. You're worthless and all you did was vandalize this car. SHAME." 

      Like WTF, Snow?! YOU asked her to go undercover.YOU asked her to keep your stupid secret from Emma. She doesn't have to do any of this for you. Regina is putting her life in danger to go undercover and she's letting Emma think it was her idea not Snow's. 

      Why is Snow being such an ungrateful biotch? Charming seems to be just following her around like a big dummy, too. Their whole dynamic is so bizarre now. I used to ship Snowing so much, but now they are two of my least favorite characters. 

      What are your thoughts? Does anyone still actually like Snow or think she's not a total bish? What happened to Charming's personality?! 



      Me too , I dislike snow white character In OUAT

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    • Isis Wolf wrote:

      Marissaloohoo wrote:
      I wanted to slap Mary Margaret across her snow white face in Enter the Dragon. 

      When she and Charming find Regina after her first attempt of infiltrating the QOD gang, Snow is SO SO SO SO RUDE to her. She's like "OMG REGINA I can't believe that after this one night of pretending to be evil you don't have all the answers we need. You're worthless and all you did was vandalize this car. SHAME." 

      Like WTF, Snow?! YOU asked her to go undercover.YOU asked her to keep your stupid secret from Emma. She doesn't have to do any of this for you. Regina is putting her life in danger to go undercover and she's letting Emma think it was her idea not Snow's. 

      Why is Snow being such an ungrateful biotch? Charming seems to be just following her around like a big dummy, too. Their whole dynamic is so bizarre now. I used to ship Snowing so much, but now they are two of my least favorite characters. 

      What are your thoughts? Does anyone still actually like Snow or think she's not a total bish? What happened to Charming's personality?! 



      Me too , I dislike snow white character In OUAT

      Why?

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    • I eel that she is arrogant and see herself better than others , and ready to go far as possible to protect her dark secrets

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    • I'm weird. I dislike Mary Margaret most of the time, but I love Snow White. 

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    • Splash245 wrote:
      I'm weird. I dislike Mary Margaret most of the time, but I love Snow White. 

      Hhhhh I love snow white but the one who out the show not snow white of OUAT

      and dislike mary margaret

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    • I basically hated MM in season one, for a number of reasons. I like her much better now, but still find her a bit arrogant.

      Now... I think she's (and Snow White in the past) so used to being the "hero" and "in charge" she doesn't know how to act otherwise, and doesn't accept what she sees as failure very well.

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    • The last episode was a mostly Regina/Maleficent centric episode, so I can understand why Mary Margaret and David's scenes weren't that big. 

      In highsight, the Charmings just seem tense because they really don't want Emma to find out their secret, and their last shot at keeping their secret under wraps is to learn what the Queens of Darkness actually want, and to do that, they need Regina's help. Yeah, Regina didn't have to keep the secret for Mary Margaret, and she could have refused to go undercover, but in the end, she agreed to help Mary Margaret, so I think that shows there is trust between the two women. I don't think the Charmings are not grateful for Regina's assistance, but yes, after only the first night of sending Regina to go undercover, I'd say they were a bit rushing her like, "What happened? Did you find out what they want from us?" It shows the Charmings are panicking over wanting to know the Queens' plans immediately, which is something that's not possible given that for Regina to build trust with the Queens, that would take more time. I think the Charmings had overestimated how the undercover mission would go, and set their expectations too high in thinking they'd be able to find out the Queens' plans right away.

      It also makes sense that Mary Margaret and David would let Emma believe the undercover mission was entirely Regina's idea because they want their daughter to assume they don't really know the Queens of Darkness, and they don't want to tip Emma off into suspecting they have history with the trio. 

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    • They shouldn't be lying about any of this in the first place, so being angsty cause they're scared Emma will find out isn't a good excuse for their rude behavior. 

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    • Marissaloohoo wrote: They shouldn't be lying about any of this in the first place, so being angsty cause they're scared Emma will find out isn't a good excuse for their rude behavior. 

      They aren't rude. Snow is being a bit selfish, but she always has.

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Marissaloohoo wrote: They shouldn't be lying about any of this in the first place, so being angsty cause they're scared Emma will find out isn't a good excuse for their rude behavior. 

      They aren't rude. Snow is being a bit selfish, but she always has.

      Snow is rude as hell idk what show you're watching lol

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    • Marissaloohoo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Marissaloohoo wrote: They shouldn't be lying about any of this in the first place, so being angsty cause they're scared Emma will find out isn't a good excuse for their rude behavior. 

      They aren't rude. Snow is being a bit selfish, but she always has.

      Snow is rude as hell idk what show you're watching lol

      She's not much more than she always is. I watch the same show, never missed an episode!

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    • Eskaver wrote:

      Marissaloohoo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Marissaloohoo wrote: They shouldn't be lying about any of this in the first place, so being angsty cause they're scared Emma will find out isn't a good excuse for their rude behavior. 

      They aren't rude. Snow is being a bit selfish, but she always has.
      Snow is rude as hell idk what show you're watching lol
      She's not much more than she always is. I watch the same show, never missed an episode!

      I'm just kidding with you! I'm sure you are a devoted fan, hence your presence on this forum haah! I have always liked Snow. I was rooting for MM in Season 1 and LOVE Snow in all the flashbacks to the EF. Being kind of selfish and a bit of a brat (usually unintentionally on both counts) has alwyas been a part of her personality and it never bothered me that much before. This season though, especially in last week's episode, I feel like she is taking it to new levels.Maybe it's because it's coming from a dark place this time instead of a heroic one. It's easier to tolerate someone's bratty behavior when they're ultimately doing it in the name of the greater good. This time though she's doing it as she lies and cheats like a villain. She's still acitng all self-righteous and holier than thou even though she's going down the exact same "lie till it blows over" path as all other villains. It annoys me that she would take such a stupid and immature approach to this issue surrounding Emma. 

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    • Marissaloohoo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Marissaloohoo wrote:

      Eskaver wrote:

      Marissaloohoo wrote: They shouldn't be lying about any of this in the first place, so being angsty cause they're scared Emma will find out isn't a good excuse for their rude behavior. 

      They aren't rude. Snow is being a bit selfish, but she always has.
      Snow is rude as hell idk what show you're watching lol
      She's not much more than she always is. I watch the same show, never missed an episode!

      I'm just kidding with you! I'm sure you are a devoted fan, hence your presence on this forum haah! I have always liked Snow. I was rooting for MM in Season 1 and LOVE Snow in all the flashbacks to the EF. Being kind of selfish and a bit of a brat (usually unintentionally on both counts) has alwyas been a part of her personality and it never bothered me that much before. This season though, especially in last week's episode, I feel like she is taking it to new levels.Maybe it's because it's coming from a dark place this time instead of a heroic one. It's easier to tolerate someone's bratty behavior when they're ultimately doing it in the name of the greater good. This time though she's doing it as she lies and cheats like a villain. She's still acitng all self-righteous and holier than thou even though she's going down the exact same "lie till it blows over" path as all other villains. It annoys me that she would take such a stupid and immature approach to this issue surrounding Emma. 

      Well my two responses: She's just being herself and she'll come to understand her faults.

      Other answer: The writers are trying to make the heroes (Snow) look bad to make the villains look good. So, Snow is going to do worse things because of plot.

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    • I'd say it's good that the writers are illustrating Snow's villainous side with her character wanting to hide her terrible, dark secret from Emma because her actions are generating forum discussions lol. It does flip things around a bit. I always did see Snow White/Mary Margaret as pretty heroic and morally righteous in her actions, but I liked that she took a darker turn with the Cora business and that was basically the first time she ever intentionally murdered someone. Now with the lying thing, it is pretty bad that she's not telling Emma the truth. I perceive she feels justified for keeping the secret hidden in that she's doing it for the right reasons, and that's how she's rationalizing why it would be better to lie about it.

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    • They'r showing us that there are extensive "grey" areas when it comes to be a "Hero" or a "Villain".

      I like it. I like watching Regina struggle to be "good", and I love watching Snow/MM come down off that pedestal at least a bit.

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    • There's nothing the Charmings can do to make people happy. People hate them because they're too "goody two shoes" or they aren't "good" enough. I like them. I do wish that the writers would put more of Snows personality with MM. 

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    • Oh thank goodness in not the only one. To put it mildly, I CANT FLIPPING STAND THE CHARMINGS PERIOD!!! Those 2 are on my last nerves, I've never liked them to begin with but now after what they did to Mal and lying to Em who is just now learning to trust and love.... I mean look how far she's come! The old Em would've run faster the the roadrunner after Killian's confusion. And what is with Snow's holier then thou attitude toward everyone? Not to mention she asked Regina, REGINA to keep her secret. And lets not forget my personal favorite, having the audacity to have another baby after tearing one away from its mother just to make up for missing out on your first one due to your own pride and stupidity... I'm hoping Mal fries them both, I wouldn't miss them at all.. I can't believe in going to say this but heck I liked Zelena more then Snow and Charming. That's right I just said that, and its no secret Zelena was my most hated character ever on OUAT.

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    • I think the reason they are doing this is because everyone gets annoyed that MM can't keep a secret. And they are finally not being picture perfect, which was another big complaint.

      Taking years away from Mal and her daughter (assuming she is Lily) is no different then what Regina did to Snow, but Regina did it for revenge against something Snow did when she was 10, Snow is doing it to save her child, not that it makes it okay, but it's no worse than Regina. 

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    • If you asked me last year who my three least favorite main characters were, I would have said, David, belle, and henry, with henry being the most annoying. Now, after seeing unforgiven and the promo for best laid plans, I can confidently say that Mary Margaret Bitchlard has made it to the top of the list. Also, and I don't know how this would work, but could it be possible that emma is actually Maleficent's child and lily/whoever Agnes B. Is playing May in fact be the daughter of Snow White and Prince charming?

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    • Well, one thing that some seem to forget is that they truly regret it and we don't have the whole story yet. They have always have been selfish, doing what's best for them over the needs of the kingdoms most times. Snow is a "goodness" zealot and Charming is a bit subservient to her whims. But it has always been like that. Otherwise, the Charmings would have been doing nothing this half, just like most of 4a where it was pretty much comic relief.

      So, Snow and Charming aren't faultless, but they regret what they did and even seemed to regret it after they just performed the act. They were impulsive and trying to do the best for their child. They made a mistake and then regretted it. It's not like they could go back to Maleficent and apologize since she likely would just kill them. Then she was an angry dragon, then ash monster and then ashes. And the difference between Snow and Regina is that Snow was doing it to benefit her, David, and her child (and maybe the whole kingdom), and REGRETTED IT, while Regina was doing it for herself and has NOT REGRETTED IT. So, she still a hair better in that department than Regina (and Regina is my favorite character and even I see that).

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    • So, she still a hair better in that department than Regina (and Regina is my favorite character and even I see that).


      No, Snow White is not better in that department than Regina.  The latter has expressed remorse, if not regret for her actions.  She doesn't regret those actions that led her to Henry.  But she has expressed remorse.  And yes, the two are different.  Regina doesn't feel any disappointment that her actions led to Henry, but she has expressed remorse or guilt . . . which would explain her occasional bursts of self-sacrifice on behalf of the town.  Actions that I have found increasingly annoying.


      The real person who is has consistently failed to express remorse is Emma.  She has expressed regret for bringing Marian (I'm sorry . . . I mean Zelena) from the past Enchanted Forest to Storybrook, but she has never contemplated the consequences of her action.  She never contemplates the consequences of any of her actions.  Even when she committed all those petty crimes in order expose Regina as corrupt back in Season 1, she refused to admit that she had committed some crimes.  Instead, she called herself "lowering to Regina's leve", when all she was doing was sinking to her own level - actions similar to her own past.

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    • Let me see, who said, "I may have casted a curse that devastated a population. I have tortured and murdered.......I should be overflowing with regret, but I'm not!" Oh, right, that was totally Snow White.

      It's show, not tell. Snow White has express regret and remorse on countless occasions. Regina is growing in that depatment, but it's not like Snow wasn't like that ever.

      Emma does not need to show remorse. Stop, stop, stop. Emma thought she was saving an innocent woman from death. I'm sorry if you think that saving an innocent person means you have to cry a river of tears because someone didn't like that decision. You can say she doesn't fully realize the gravity of her decisions, but she doesn't need to feel sorry for doing something she sees as good. 

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    • I am a huge supporter of the show and love it to bits. I don't want to complain and I feel that I'm quite neutral to it actually. Yes, Snow is acting weird and being demanding, but that's how her character is. Then there's Charming. Yes, I always feel the pair are always glued together and are inseparable, but I think that's how they portray their love, though Charming could do with following his own gut too. However, almost always their on the same page, sometimes suggesting different things, but both come to the same conclusion. I love Snowing and I think that they could've given Regina some credit, her willingness to keep Mary Margaret's secret and going undercover was amazing! I would request you all to follow-up with positive comments now. Thanks!

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    • I like Snow, and the way that Ginny portray's her. We know that she was a bratty, selfish child, and having seen her younger mother, we know where that comes from.  We also know that she tries to be better. But, as with all of us, She slips back into that selfish behavior from time to time (Remember the Gorgon incident, that was bratty, selfish Snow). What we see is just another of her flawed attributes.  She is very prideful.  She gets prideful about her good deeds, and the shame she feels over her bad actions, and the lengths that she goes to hide said actions, is all too human.

      Now, hopefully with the upcoming season, we'll get to see a little more from David. I like David, but he does seem to be a cheerleader and doormat.

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    • I like Snow and Charming in the past. And I mean that I like them in seasons 1-3 in flashbacks. they're one character now and it's annoying. I also really like flashback Snow. She was an interesting, complex character, and now all she over does is smooch David. Give it a rest. I liked her in one scene in season 4. When she's trying to fix the electricity and Granny, Grumpy and happy won't stop complaining. Other than that, nothing.

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    • I like Snow and Charming a lot more now than I did in the past. They're a lot more interesting and relatable, now that their personal flaws have been fully revealed. They're more complex and ambiguous.

      I found them ridiculously ideal, boring and self-righteous in the past . . . with the exception of Snow's murder of Cora back in late Season 2.

      Now, if only they would do something about Emma, instead of allowing her to give in to evil, via some entity's possession. Which is boring to me.

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    • While the end may or may not be Emma ultimately giving in, I have a feeling what may happen is that we'll see the journey up close and personal. Where we got Rumple's and Regina's journey into the Darkness in big bites, and viewed from a high level, I figure we might get Emma's in greater detail. And the story won't likely be so much about Emma being Dark as it will be about how she tries to resist, and how the rest of the Storybrooke Breakfast Club try to take whatever action is necessary to pull Emma back.

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    • While the end may or may not be Emma ultimately giving in, I have a feeling what may happen is that we'll see the journey up close and personal.


      Emma's role as "the Dark One" is not interesting to me. She won't be resisting her own personal flaws/evil. She'll be resisting some entity within her. This is basically a story about possession. And for me, it's not a real struggle for Emma, in compare to the moral struggles that Regina, Snow, Charming and other characters have endured or are still enduring.

      Emma does have her flaws and unpleasant traits. But aside from her penchant for emotionally shutting people out, the series has never explored this or faced it. And this new storyline won't give writers the opportunities to explore Emma's more unpleasant side. Instead, this storyline will be all about her trying to fight some external evil force that is trying to take control of her body. This is what Rumpelstiltskin's character has been reduced to, thanks to this "entity" that has popped up. And honestly, I'm not interested. I've seen too much of this in other works of fiction. When the time comes when this show allows Emma to face the uglier aspects of her personality without some outside force like "the Darkness" or whatever that thing is called influencing her behavior, then I'll be interested.

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    • (MOD)No more off topic stuff because it will be deleted.

      First word in the Thread title is "SNOW" so only Snow should be discussed in this thread. Any further posts will be deleted.

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    • Did you see all that Snow that was on the set during season 3b?

      (Sorry, couldn't resist).

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    • Hmcooper4 wrote:
      Did you see all that Snow that was on the set during season 3b?

      (Sorry, couldn't resist).

      Yeah, it doesn't really help for timeline sake since It should be (Neverland ends before the Summer, then 1 yr later, it should be Summer or Fall, not winter, lol). I call Ingrid shenanigans!

      Now back on topic!

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    • I may be weird but i hate Emma and Snow with passion.They are self righteous,destructive,mean woman who thinks they are entitled to receive everything just because they think they are good.Really?They are despicable persons.Snow more than Emma but genes does show.Snow is the reason everyone Regina ever loved dies.One way or other Snow manage to be truly evil and blame Regina for hurting.Does Snow ever stops and thinks that she is to blame for most Reginas evildoings?And the way they take away Henry from his mother?Emma and Snow both got rid of their kids when it suited them.And don't give me the talk about doing whats best for the child.Regina is the only one eho truly cared for Henry while for Emma and Snow he was a means to use against Regina.And don't even get me started of the choice of actress for a princess thats supposed to be the most beautifull of them all.

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    • Guys it's not that bad. Yes there are moments that feel like the character is deviating from it's original personality, but that's how the writers have made it. Snow, Emma and Regina are all amazing characters in their own way, each having their flaws. After all, they're human and that's what Snow tells Regina in Smash the Mirror. Haven't any of you said something rude before in a moment and then realized it later? They're trying to flesh out the real human sides off these characters. I love the show in it's essence, the messages it's conveying. It's okay to have opinions, but let's not get carried away. 

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    • Queenofspades81 wrote:
      I may be weird but i hate Emma and Snow with passion.They are self righteous,destructive,mean woman who thinks they are entitled to receive everything just because they think they are good.Really?They are despicable persons.Snow more than Emma but genes does show.Snow is the reason everyone Regina ever loved dies.One way or other Snow manage to be truly evil and blame Regina for hurting.Does Snow ever stops and thinks that she is to blame for most Reginas evildoings?And the way they take away Henry from his mother?Emma and Snow both got rid of their kids when it suited them.And don't give me the talk about doing whats best for the child.Regina is the only one eho truly cared for Henry while for Emma and Snow he was a means to use against Regina.And don't even get me started of the choice of actress for a princess thats supposed to be the most beautifull of them all.

      Snow is not responsible for anything Regina did. She did nothing to Regina. All she ever did was try to help her, and she got blamed for it. And for the first two seasons Regina never showed any sign that she was even worthy of having Henry; she verbally and emotionally abused him for the first ten years of his life and only started to become a real mother to him when there was a threat that she might lose him. She tried to make him think he was crazy. How is that love? Whar are you even talking about? She is the one who repeatedly used Henry as a means to an end. There were times in the past when she was willing to hurt Henry if it meant hurting Henry. Regina is one of the most self-righteous, destructive, meanest characters on this show. One of the reasons I like Zelena as much as I do is because she is one of the few characters willing to take Regina down a peg. I mean, Emma has sacrificed much for Regina -- she is always there for her -- and Regina not only has never thanked her for it, but never even seems grateful. In fact, until "Page 23" Regina had been nothing but a self-righteous hypocritical bitch since the pilot. You know why Emma and Snow think they are good? It's because they are good, and Regina still has a long way to go before I will ever consider her good.

      This is what annoys me about Regina fans. They act like she is the most perfect person in the world. I mean, my favorite characters are Emma and Hook, but I will be the first one to acknowledge their flaws, rather than blindly love them.

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    • Snow is cool

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    • A Spy in the Mirror
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