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  • Is the viewership of a show the only thing that determines is a show continues or is cancelled? If so, I might be worried about once upon a time. Based on this wiki information, the premiere episode of Once:Wonderland brought in 5.82 views, that show, which I enjoyed, is now ended/canceled. The winter finale of season 4, "Heroes and Villains", brought in 5.60 million, which is less than the "down the Rabbit Hole". Is this worry unfounded or substantial? I would like to see Once Upon a Time go as far and long as it can while being watchable, but can too few viewers cause Once to end or be canceled? Is disney and ABC too invested in the show to have it canceled? Does anyone think the next storyline(s) will be enough to bring back viewers?

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    • I wouldn't worry, I think the low rating was the result of confusing people with the episodes numbering, plus last week felt like a midseason finale, so maybe viewers thought that there wasn't a new episode this week.

      Moreover, series success isn't measured just in rating. They consider views From websites like ABC and Netflix, which Once Upon A Time is one of the most watched shows. And they consider DVD sales too.

      I believe Once Upon A Time will be renewed and get 5th season. But Know that Fantasy shows don't last that long - mainly because they are very expensive to produce. So don't get your hopes up for a 10th season or something. Once Upon A Time has at most 2-3 seasons left.

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    • I say once upon a time  will get 6-7 seasons

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    • Also, another factor in viewership can be affected by the time of year.  Right now, you are between Thanksgiving and Christmas.  There are a lot of holiday specials on other networks, not to mention still having to compete with sports (cough NFL cough). Plus people have outside activities more often this time of year.  There are a lot of things to distract a person from being able to immediately watch. and the numbers only account for views on the live airing, and DVR recording viewings within like the first 24 hours afterward. And, as far as I know, these figures only account for people that access thier viewing by Cable.  OTA viewership is not factored into the mix (as there is almost no way to get the figures from OTA viewers in a timely enough manner).

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    • I wouldn't worry. I believe ABC has a vested interest in this show, and as other people said time of year matters, if say only 10 million people were watching tv on Sunday night, than 5 million is half of them. Also, Wonderland premiered at 5 million, and all shows have a drop off of viewers after the premiere. Meanwhile, the Once episode in question is in the middle of it's fourth season, so that makes a difference too.

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    • It's also always important to remember that lots of people like things able to be ranked and fit into nice little boxes. For TV, ratings are one of the first things you hear about whenever anyone wants to attack or defend a show. But you have to remember that as some would put it there are exceptions. While YES, it is possible the channel may make lots of their choices via the ratings. But there are countless factors that could be involved on how they view the ratings.

      We as fans sometimes just aren't privy to what each network is looking for on any individual show at any individua timespot. Some might have very big expectations and fall short. Others might have low expectations and go big. If you are a show that goes against live sporting events the other networks may honestly expect them to not be #1 most of the time. Also how much money advertizers will pay for a certain type of show, how much merchandise they drive, and if they fill a niche, all these can work out in a show's favor even if it's ratings aren't all that good to show off.

      Putting all my fan thinking aside, Once is a show with decent enough ratings, filling a niche Disney would be a fool not to make a good effort of taking as far as it can go and has a very noticable fanbase online. I say it's not in that much danger.

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    • Does DVR ratings count? If so, OUAT gathers about 9m every episode (TV and DVR included) so I wouldn't worry that much.

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    • Nakis91 wrote:
      Does DVR ratings count? If so, OUAT gathers about 9m every episode (TV and DVR included) so I wouldn't worry that much.

      DVR does count somehow, if it's watched before a week after the show aired, I believe. After that, I don't believe it counts, but I could be wrong. Needless to say, even if you watch it super late, there's still a chance you will buy DVD's, books, merchandise, etc., so in the long run, those people may help the show too.

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    • They should do a rerun of this episode the week before OUAT starts again, since a lot of people didn't know it was airing this Sunday.

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    • Frozen storyline was boring as hell. That's it.

      It came and went to nowhere. It brought nothing to the show. Look at where we are now: it could have never happened and there would be no change.

      The scenes with the Frozen characters were totally pointless, and those got a LOT of time of this season:

      -We didn't get to see any Evil Queen or Snow White flashbacks... and they are main characters. ... and the Evil Queen is a fan favorite.

      -They didn't enough time to develop the Robin Hood/Regina storyline: the brought Marian back just to keep her frozen until the very end of 4A. That was pretty dragged and lame.

      -Henry and other characters like Granny, Archie, Ruby and Doctor Whale barely appeared. And with that the show lost a lot of its old charm.



      Snow Queen alone as a "villain" would have been great, since her scenes with Emma were AMAZING, especially the flashbacks. 

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Frozen storyline was boring as hell. That's it.

      It came and went to nowhere. It brought nothing to the show. Look at where we are now: it could have never happened and there would be no change.

      The Frozen arc being underwelming, and nothing but a marketing ploy, did some damage. However, the main problem with the mid-season finale, was that everyone knew Rumplestilskin would loose.... it was way too obvious.

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    • 8Rob wrote:
      Frozen storyline was boring as hell. That's it.

      It came and went to nowhere. It brought nothing to the show. Look at where we are now: it could have never happened and there would be no change.

      The scenes with the Frozen characters were totally pointless, and those got a LOT of time of this season:

      -We didn't get to see any Evil Queen or Snow White flashbacks... and they are main characters. ... and the Evil Queen is a fan favorite.

      -They didn't enough time to develop the Robin Hood/Regina storyline: the brought Marian back just to keep her frozen until the very end of 4A. That was pretty dragged and lame.

      -Henry and other characters like Granny, Archie, Ruby and Doctor Whale barely appeared. And with that the show lost a lot of its old charm.



      Snow Queen alone as a "villain" would have been great, since her scenes with Emma were AMAZING, especially the flashbacks. 

      - I like the Frozen act just because of that. It showed like it happened out of the blue (with the urn getting sucked into the portal) 

      - There's possibly NOTHING they didn't cover in their past that would require new flashbacks. I would hate it if there were more of them. 

      - I disagree. Marian being back showed Regina had made a 180 degrees change in her way of thinking and is now not a villain any more. 

      - It did lost its charm in a way but I didn't mind Henry not being on so much. 

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    • The Frozen characters added some new content. Yes it put other stuff way on the back burner, but they also helped the characters out. I mean Charming barely did anything during the Neverland Arc and had one big storyline in 3.14 and 3.19 but those were the only two things during the Wicked arc. He helped Elsa out during 4.02 and made other efforts in the other episodes too. Yes, him and MM are starting to get bland. That is why I am hoping during 4B, they have a bigger role. Regina kind of got demoted during this arc, I admit, no centric episodes about Her did suck, but the Wicked arc, no basically the whole 3rd season was about her. Like S3 of Grey's anatomy was about Cristina Yang and not the main main character Meredith Grey. During 4B, it is stated that all the main characters minus Emma (She is still alive but the Frozen arc was about her) will get a bigger storyline. Also if you think this show is dwindling, look at the show Revenge. It was spectacular during its first season, and then it really lost its fire during S2 and little more in S3, even though she completed her revenge. Now in S4, everything is all just mixed up and uncoordinated. It actually scored less viewers on their season premiere then OUAT's lowest views overall, so this show is not too in the deep. But I agree, it needs a saving grace. Who or what will be the show's savior? We might not know til March or the end of the season. All we can do is wait.

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    • Time to give my point of view xD


      First of all, OUAT will have a fifth season. No worry about that: ratings are still really good, the Frozen arc had excellent ratings at the beginning and the show is close from syndiction. And the fanbase is strong (just watch Netflix, OUAT is one of the two most watched shows). So no problem with that.

      Then, about Snow White/MM. A lot of persons seem to complain about this; because she did not have a lot of importance. You forget something people: she just had a baby! Ginny already said she wanted something small in 4a, because she wanted to be with her baby. And she already confirmed it: she thinks she is ready now, so more scenes with Snow in 4b. Same with 3b. She was pregnant. She did what she could. And it was amazing for her. I know some shows where the actress left when she was pregnant. Ginny stayed before and even after the birth of the baby. That's something amazing from her. Same with Josh.

      For Regina. She had the whole 3b arc for her. It is normal she is not too important in 4a after 3b. I'm sure she'll be more important in 4b, especially with Maleficent :) Ouat is not a show about Regina ^^

      Minor characters. Like Grany, Ruby, etc... Don't forget they have some projects, not just OUAT. I mean, they don't have to stay here and do nothing in their professional life, until we need them on Once because fans want them xD Whale & Tink have Izombie. Granny has a comedy show; Robin left cos he is doing a film, etc... Moreover, with one arc per half of season, it is hard to have this kind of characters more important ^^

      I won't talk about Frozen or Rumple. We like it or not, that's our opinions. But for a lot of things, Adam & Eddy must deal with what happens in real life, they can't do what they want how they want, cos actors have their own lives ^^ I think they're doing a great jobs, it could have been much worse ^^

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    • Lady Junky wrote:
      Time to give my point of view xD


      First of all, OUAT will have a fifth season. No worry about that: ratings are still really good, the Frozen arc had excellent ratings at the beginning and the show is close from syndiction. And the fanbase is strong (just watch Netflix, OUAT is one of the two most watched shows). So no problem with that.

      Then, about Snow White/MM. A lot of persons seem to complain about this; because she did not have a lot of importance. You forget something people: she just had a baby! Ginny already said she wanted something small in 4a, because she wanted to be with her baby. And she already confirmed it: she thinks she is ready now, so more scenes with Snow in 4b. Same with 3b. She was pregnant. She did what she could. And it was amazing for her. I know some shows where the actress left when she was pregnant. Ginny stayed before and even after the birth of the baby. That's something amazing from her. Same with Josh.

      For Regina. She had the whole 3b arc for her. It is normal she is not too important in 4a after 3b. I'm sure she'll be more important in 4b, especially with Maleficent :) Ouat is not a show about Regina ^^

      Minor characters. Like Grany, Ruby, etc... Don't forget they have some projects, not just OUAT. I mean, they don't have to stay here and do nothing in their professional life, until we need them on Once because fans want them xD Whale & Tink have Izombie. Granny has a comedy show; Robin left cos he is doing a film, etc... Moreover, with one arc per half of season, it is hard to have this kind of characters more important ^^

      I won't talk about Frozen or Rumple. We like it or not, that's our opinions. But for a lot of things, Adam & Eddy must deal with what happens in real life, they can't do what they want how they want, cos actors have their own lives ^^ I think they're doing a great jobs, it could have been much worse ^^

      You make really good points overall, and I just have to add that Adam and Eddy do an amazing job working around actors schedules, and not making you miss seeing them too much. On other shows (on ABC at least), characters sometimes get really dumb reasons for not appearing. I think my personal favorite dumb reason was a somewhat minor recurring character having to "go take care of a sick aunt", and then she was back like a half season later, and all I could think was "hmmm... wonder what she (as in the actress) was busy with". Adam and Eddy just go with the much simpler explaination of: the characters are there, but off screen.

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