In the first ep of this season, Felix said that if Rumple went against Pan, he would die. And yes he died.
He killed Pan with his dagger, not himself. So, how!? I don't get it.
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Have you seen episode 3x15? Neal ressurected Rumple by sacrificing his life unwittedly.
Think of it like this. Rumple and Pan die and go to the Underworld. When the vault key is used, the Darkenss sucks Rumple's soul back to life and out of the Underworld.
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Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
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Jernigan wrote:
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Yeah, but it doesn't explain why Rumple couldn't just roast him.
Even more so, Pan being almost on par with Merlin and Nimue is laughable.
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Eskaver wrote:
Yeah, but it doesn't explain why Rumple couldn't just roast him.
Jernigan wrote:
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Yeah, but it doesn't explain why Rumple couldn't just roast him.
Even more so, Pan being almost on par with Merlin and Nimue is laughable.
I think Pan was actually stronger than them, even Cora.
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Farerb wrote:
Eskaver wrote:
Yeah, but it doesn't explain why Rumple couldn't just roast him.
I think Pan was actually stronger than them, even Cora.
Jernigan wrote:
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Yeah, but it doesn't explain why Rumple couldn't just roast him.
Even more so, Pan being almost on par with Merlin and Nimue is laughable.
Not to me. I think it was just to refer back to season 1 when Rumple said fairy magic doesn't mix with what he was and Pan was charged by the nuclear fairy dust of Neverland.
Cora was Regina level and actually looked weaker, but more more experienced.
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Eskaver wrote:
Farerb wrote:
Not to me. I think it was just to refer back to season 1 when Rumple said fairy magic doesn't mix with what he was and Pan was charged by the nuclear fairy dust of Neverland.
Eskaver wrote:
Yeah, but it doesn't explain why Rumple couldn't just roast him.
I think Pan was actually stronger than them, even Cora.Jernigan wrote:
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Yeah, but it doesn't explain why Rumple couldn't just roast him.
Even more so, Pan being almost on par with Merlin and Nimue is laughable.
Cora was Regina level and actually looked weaker, but more more experienced.
I guess I say this because of how dreadful I was to the main characters back then. After Zelena, I kind of realized nothing would happen to them, no concequences.
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Farerb wrote:
Eskaver wrote:
I guess I say this because of how dreadful I was to the main characters back then. After Zelena, I kind of realized nothing would happen to them, no concequences.
Farerb wrote:
Not to me. I think it was just to refer back to season 1 when Rumple said fairy magic doesn't mix with what he was and Pan was charged by the nuclear fairy dust of Neverland.
Eskaver wrote:
Yeah, but it doesn't explain why Rumple couldn't just roast him.
I think Pan was actually stronger than them, even Cora.Jernigan wrote:
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Just to throw my two cents in here: when Gold's shadow returned, it seemed like Pan was almost attached to him, he couldn't break free despite apparently having magic to do so. So my theory is that Gold attached the shadow to both of them and used the dagger to kill himself, thus also dragging Pan down to the Underworld with him.
Yeah, but it doesn't explain why Rumple couldn't just roast him.
Even more so, Pan being almost on par with Merlin and Nimue is laughable.
Cora was Regina level and actually looked weaker, but more more experienced.
Humorously, Ingird never actually posed a threat to Emma, but Elsa almost killed Emma unintentionally.
But back to the topic, fairy dust is no bueno to the Dark HG magic. Fairies are probably pagan to the holy Grail magic.
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Rumple couldn't roast him since Pan removed his magic. Using the dagger was the only thing he could do to contain Pan.
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In my opinion Pan killing Rumple was similar to how in the Harry Potter books it was Malfoy that caused Dumbledore's death, it does not matter who it was that actually commited the dead that killed Rumple but more that Pan is the reason Rumple died. I think this is why Pan turned into the dark one in order for him to be able to be killed. Similar to how Dumledore's wand belonged to Malfoy instead of Snape even though it as Snape that killed him. Because the ony reason Rumple stabbed himself with the dagger was to stab and kill Pan as well made Pan the cause of his death and caused him to be the next dark one but because Pan was stabbed as well he died before being tetherd to the dagger meaning Rumple was the dark one that was brought back from the dark one's vault. But this is just my opinion of the events that played out so it is possible for it to be explained better on the show, but I doubt they would revisit this story line
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Tristan Shelton wrote:
If you all would look at both counterparts of Rumpel you would see that it says he is still alive in the Enchanted Forest but dead in Storybrooke.
If you all would look at both counterparts of Rumpel you would see that it says he is still alive in the Enchanted Forest but dead in Storybrooke.
In the dagger scene Mr. Gold (Not Rumpel) calls down his shadow which goes into him while he's holding Pan. Since him and Pan both don't have shadows and their so tightly embraced, the shadow goes into both of them, considering them to be one person. So, they shared the same shadow at that point.
Rumpel then stabs the dagger into them. The dagger is so long that it piercers both of them. By doing this, the Dark One's power is transferred to Pan, turning him back into Malcolm. Since the dagger is also piercing Malcolm the power is transferred back to Mr. Gold but he is already basically dead so thus the Dark One line is ended.
I highly doubt that this will affect anything that happens in the Enchanted Forest. Regina made it so that it was as if the Dark Curse never happened. Therefore, everything that happened in Storybrooke basically never happened. So therefore, Rumpel will most likely appear in the Enchanted Forest.
Superbly explained
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