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Is Once Upon a Time going to be cancelled?

  • It seems like the show is getting less and less views each week, the effects are getting worse, and while other shows like Scandal and The Walking Dead continuing to grow more and more popular, should we be worried that Once is on it's way out? Let me know if I'm blowing this out of proportion or what some other warning signs may be, because this is my favorite show and I would hate to see it canceled.

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    • Where did you hear that it was getting less and less views tho? 

      I heard it was quite opposite. And that this show has a huge strong fanbase.

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Where did you hear that it was getting less and less views tho? 

      I heard it was quite opposite. And that this show has a huge strong fanbase.

      Episode 1.01 - 12.93 million viewers

      Episode 2.01 - 11.36 million viewers

      Episode 3.01 - 8.52 million viewers. (episode 3.03 only 7.36 million compared to 2.03 with 9.45 last year).

      Show started losing its viewers rapidly after last season's winter finale. Bad CGI, and inconsistent writing are main reasons for that if you ask me. But I don't think this show will get canceled cause its 18-49 numbers are still pretty high and Disney owns ABC so I don't think they will spoil the chance to promote their products through this show. Beside, show will probably get syndicated and low numbers won't matter much. It's pretty safe to say  we will watch 4th season next year.

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    • I don't think it's going to be canceled, but I do know that a lot of fans have started leaving the show based on ship wars and ships not happening (which if you ask me is totally immature and unreasonable). As well as this, bad CGI & special effects (read: obvious greenscreens) also play a large part in most people's leaving.

      Like Prince of Rascia said above me, inconstistent and muddled writing/storylines are bothering a lot of people too. Plotlines change, and the writings will say things before changing their minds. It happens a lot. Personally, I think that getting too hung up on spoilers is ruining TV shows, for a good example see the Pretty Little Liars fanbase (one which I am actually a part of). The show is largely social, and the writers and producers are constantly on twitter with clues and hints or attending interviews with ridiculous statements intended to get people excited and to tune in. Sure the things they describe sound juicy and mysterious and we want to find out, but mostly it's over-hyped or has in fact been totally retconned by the time it reaches television. That's what happens when you mix social media and TV Shows.

      Wow, I went off on a tangent there... anyways, I don't think the show will be going anywhere anytime soon. It's good television, fairytales have influenced everyone in some way and like PoR said above me, their affiliation with Disney will probably save their ass should they go downhill.

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    • Awww Maan. I wish people would stop with the ships and insisting of good graphics and just enjoy the story (; Although the graphics need improvement. These ships are getting way too crazy. And if all one wants to do is ship characters and then not watch the show if the ship doesn't happen ain't no fan in the first place. I do hope we can see season 4.

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    • I totally agree BadWolf (must say I love the DW reference, by the way)! I get the excitement in shipping for some people, really I do, but to quit a show when something doesn't go your own way is totally over-dramatic. Shipping is fanbased and always will be, you can't expect the writers to fulfill every single different interpretation of who likes who and who can be paired with who. Especially when it gets to some of the more ridiculous ones (Not going to name names, but things such as legal family or distant relatives spring to mind).

      The graphics COULD do with improving, I'll give them that, but they're good for a TV show that relies so heavily on them. It's fine for a movie, but constant editing of greenscreen and special effects until they're perfect for a TV show is intensive work and it's somewhat ridiculous to expect it to be flawless. 

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    • I can forgive them awful CGI, as Chess said, this is TV show after all. But there is one thing I don't get, since interiors of those palaces look quite awful, why didn't they make sets for them or somehow made it look more realistic (Game of Thrones comes to mind, they used green screen for many of their castles and yet I haven't realized that for quite a long time).

      I don't understand those fans that quit show just because their favorite ship won't happen, I mean, last time I checked this show wasn't about ships. If that's the only reason for them to watch, then I guess they're watching the wrong show.

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    • I get what you mean with the interiors, I haven't the faintest idea where that decision came from. Maybe it had to do with future changes, so they wouldn't have to do such intensive set building? Someone should ask them about that...

      Couldn't agree more. While shipping can be fun for those who enjoy it, I personally don't understand why you would value that over the actual piece that created them? *Sigh* I guess I'll never understand some people.

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    • Who knows, I don't think that money was the problem because they have pretty huge budget. I guess green screen was safer option than set, but they really did terrible job with it. As you said, story itself is a lot more important than the quality of visual effects but it can alienate some viewers.

      I am sure that real fans won't give up on this show because of such trivial things as long as the writing is good. But unfortunately, creators has showed us that in some cases they care more about presenting some of their ideas than for the cohesion of the show, no matter how destructive those ideas may be for the plot.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:
      Who knows, I don't think that money was the problem because they have pretty huge budget. I guess green screen was safer option than set, but they really did terrible job with it. As you said, story itself is a lot more important than the quality of visual effects but it can alienate some viewers.

      I can name quite a number of other TV shows with worse effects. This isn't a movie, you can't expect movie-level CGI.

      And the ratings are steady. It's not unusal for numbers to go down with each season, it happens. Compare the numbers to other shows at this point in their lives.

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    • It annoys me that shows like Scandal and The Walking Dead are gaining popularity. I've seen a few episodes that caught my attention, but overall, I just can't get into these shows and it's not fair that all the shows I actually like never stay on for more than 1 or 2 seasons (Secret Circle and Jane by Design ended after the first season). Sometimes they even get cancelled during the middle of the season (The Lying Game ended on a cliff hanger during the middle of the second season). And I've noticed it's always the shows that are geared more towards a younger audience that wind up being cancelled. I'm actually amazed The Vampire Diaries managed to stay on for so long. It's already in it's 5th season. I don't think I have to worry about that show being cancelled. But as for Revenge and OUAT, I'm worried that this may be their last season (while I may disagree with some of the plot changes, fillers, inconsistent writing and what not, even to the point where it pisses me off, I still enjoy these shows and would rather them continue the story from another character's POV then end it completely). I'm also worried that Once Wonderland & The Originals (Vampire Diaries Spin-Off) may not see a second season. It's not just the writing or the special effects, it's the fact that people won't even give these shows a chance (and I'm not just talking about new shows, I'm also talking about shows that have been on for a while but messed up with the writing or special effects and are now trying to redeem themselves).

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    • Well, Season Two was a bit of a disappointment for many less-committed fans that I know. I understand the writers were just setting grounds for the Neverland arc to happen, but they threw out of the window or resolved way too quickly most of the storylines that made the show interesting while adding a really pointless and chaotic one (the whole Home Office arc). In hindsight it seems to have paid off because the Neverland arc has been really good so far, but it will take a bit more time and episodes before the word spreads and some of the disappointed fans give it a second chance.

      On a side note yes, the CGI might be a bit of a let down (as a photographer, I don't understand why they don't just filter the green out of the characters' skin, they all tend to look yellow), and such sets as the Darlings' home could just have been built instead of CGI-ing them, but I'm honestly confident that by comparison to those of Once:Wonderland they will start to look better now...

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    • What is also this show's problem beside losing some fans is that it actually fails to bring new fans. I know many people who don't even want to give it a chance cause when they hear about show's premise they are always like "Nah it's for children" or something like that. Also, I read a lot of negative critics in which people exaggerate some of the show's flaws, even the smallest ones. It's a shame cause this show is much better than people give it credit for.

      Anyway, as I said, it probably won't get canceled till at least 5th season.

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    • I'm guessing it will last for a while. It has Disney to save it for awhile.

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    • I would rather have the show end than have it be cancelled. Ideally i think as many seasons as possible would be good, but realistically, five season would be good. Like this season is about Neverland and getting back, next should be some conflict in Storybrooke and then getting back to the enchanted forest, then final, about rebuilding the enchanted forest, mending relationships, and righting wrongs. Just an iea.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:
      What is also this show's problem beside losing some fans is that it actually fails to bring new fans. I know many people who don't even want to give it a chance cause when they hear about show's premise they are always like "Nah it's for children" or something like that. Also, I read a lot of negative critics in which people exaggerate some of the show's flaws, even the smallest ones. It's a shame cause this show is much better than people give it credit for.

      Anyway, as I said, it probably won't get canceled till at least 5th season.

      This. This is huge. I've had so many friends tell me, "Nah, that's about fairy tales, right? Yeah, it's for kids lol" and then after insisting they give it a shot for weeks on end, they watch one episode, and are like, "Holy shit", and speed through the remainder of Seasons One and Two. 

      I recommend it to people now, and what I'll say is, "I know you'll love it, it's great, it's got fantastic plots and character development, but if you're gonna watch it, don't read a synopsis or summary. You'll get the wrong idea. Just watch the first episode." That usually works, and people usually tell me they get why I told them that after they've seen some, but, still...the point stands. Without us advocating strongly for it, on its' own...ehh, heh. :/

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    • Arctucrus, lol it's like you explained exactly my case :) When I try to bring new fans (God I must to talk with someone about this show in the real world, not just on line ;)) I show them trailer on you tube and they are always like "Wow this is great" but if I just talk with them they don't believe it's not for children. They are like "Evil Queen, Snow White?! Give me a break"

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    • When drawing new people to the show I usually go the pragmatic way: Jamie Dornan, Colin O'Donoghue, Eion Bailey, Sebastian Stan, Lana Parrilla... it usually works. :P

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    • You guys DO know that, even though the premiere was lower than the season 2 one, the ratings were at their highest since JANURAY, when the show took a nose-dive, right?

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    • When's Januray? ;D

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    • The show will probably last at least 4 seasons because of syndication, so don't worry about it getting canceled anytime soon.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      When's Januray? ;D


      Uhm, my birthday month. That's all that matters. ^_^

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    • Umm okay I'm really getting worried... "Nasty Habits" got the lowest views of the entire series! Why can't they just write better material and broadcast more appealing advertisements! This show is getting me through high school and I would be crushed if it gets cancelled.... Aaahhhh!!!

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    • those aren't the final numbers, Bud.

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    • To be quite honest, I enjoyed the second season, though it is my least favorite season. I didn't focus on the "messy plotline", I was always just "MUST. WATCH. NEXT. EPISODE. NOW." If you truly love a show, the not-the-best effects can get on your nerves, but overall shows aren't all effects and greenscreens. I love the show for the concept and the characters and just the magic of it all. I didn't know I needed a show where I can fangirl over True Love and Peter Pan until I started watch OUAT. And I think OUAT is going to stay for another season.

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    • I know, this is my favorite show, since day one. But over time things have generally gotten worse, and I don't like it. Season one was all about breaking the curse and reuniting snow and PC, with Regina on the side trying to stop it and gold watching. Then season two happened and it was good right up until "tiny" but it was beginning to go all over the place. Then that kinda kept going till season 3 which the first one was the best in my opinion so far. Then the back stories hardly focus on the focused character, and If they do, it doesn't go along with the main conflict. I just want it to go back to season one type story lines, in depth and suspenseful.

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    • LarytheCucumber wrote:
      To be quite honest, I enjoyed the second season, though it is my least favorite season. I didn't focus on the "messy plotline", I was always just "MUST. WATCH. NEXT. EPISODE. NOW." If you truly love a show, the not-the-best effects can get on your nerves, but overall shows aren't all effects and greenscreens. I love the show for the concept and the characters and just the magic of it all. I didn't know I needed a show where I can fangirl over True Love and Peter Pan until I started watch OUAT. And I think OUAT is going to stay for another season.

      Really, it's like you were writing my thoughts down ;)

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    • Nobody's forcing any of to watch... XD

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      Nobody's forcing any of to watch... XD

      We should tho. Lets each gather 1000 people and ductape them to chairs. And force them to watch. >:D Then we can have OUAT for many more seasons! Muahaha

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      Nobody's forcing any of to watch... XD
      We should tho. Lets each gather 1000 people and ductape them to chairs. And force them to watch. >:D Then we can have OUAT for many more seasons! Muahaha

      Sounds like a plan:)

      Lol

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    • Complete perfection XxBadWolfxX :) really perfect plan we just need chairs, ductape, and a tv jk XD

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    • People they are not going to cancel it. When hook and Emma kiss will be epic...... Tomarrow It going to be so so epic just watch..... And people comm the hell down..

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      Prince of Rascia wrote:

      XxBadWolfxX wrote:
      Where did you hear that it was getting less and less views tho? 

      I heard it was quite opposite. And that this show has a huge strong fanbase.

      Episode 1.01 - 12.93 million viewers

      Episode 2.01 - 11.36 million viewers

      Episode 3.01 - 8.52 million viewers. (episode 3.03 only 7.36 million compared to 2.03 with 9.45 last year).

      Show started losing its viewers rapidly after last season's winter finale. Bad CGI, and inconsistent writing are main reasons for that if you ask me. But I don't think this show will get canceled cause its 18-49 numbers are still pretty high and Disney owns ABC so I don't think they will spoil the chance to promote their products through this show. Beside, show will probably get syndicated and low numbers won't matter much. It's pretty safe to say  we will watch 4th season next year.

      People come down they will never do that. Just watch tomarrow episode and it will be a lot of viewer... Because of hook and Emma and David...... They will never do that.... BELIVE me never

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    • Okay, we have now reached an all time low of view with "Dark Hollow" at 6.63 million! Is that bad? Or are the results finalized?

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    • I do have to say... the CGI has gotten worse and while it's not necessarily something that would make me stop watching, it has contributed to my dislike of this season. It's cringe worthy bad... and with other shows on the same network (Like Agents of Shield), that have almost impecable CGI/SFX, they really don't have an excuse.

      The writing has disappointed me this season as well. It's been lazy, inconsistent and confusing, lacking in continuity and the dialogue has gone down into the cheesy levels. So many good characters have been treated as props for puns, and so much of the "intensity" is tainted by a rushed, predictable feel.

      I love OuaT and I'm gonna see it through - if only because I hate leaving a show I've watched from the beginning... But it doesn't feel like the same show as Season 1.... or even Season 2. I feel like there's too many characters, too many storylines to focus on and not enough of a juxtapostion between the Flashbacks and Present plots. I'm excited about Neverland and Peter Pan, but I almost feel like he's such an afterthought that all we've seen of him has been his near cartoonish misbehaving. I adore Ariel, I really do... but I would gladly sacrifice her storyline for more of an in depth look into the characters we've already seem. I'm glad we finally got to Hook's back story, but it just felt so hurried.

      I know it's not a popular opinion, but I've been trying to get into the show this season, and I just can't...

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    • Ugh! I kinda wish Kitsis and Horowitz would see this instead of all the fanships -__-

      on Twitter and

      do something about it!!!! D; 

      Altho I personally love the show and every Ep. I wasn't nearly as excited as when I saw

      season 1.

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    • I think Dark Hollow suffered a backleash from Ariel, which was a somewhat disappointing episode due to how superfically the Little Mermaid fairytale was handled, thus the lower views.

      Generally speaking, so far I'm enjoying Season Three much more than the latter half of Season Two, so I think the show is getting back on track with some episodes being as thrilling as the old ones. I don't mind the "ships", either, as they're developing things already settled in Season Two rather than fanservicing the viewers out of the blue. Maybe they should be toned down, but all in all are consistent with the story.

      Perhaps the real problem is, the present day narration is a bit too slow because they're putting too many "transition" episodes which promise some "big hits" in the near future while being quite useless by themselves (3x01, 04, 05 and 06), and the flashbacks are becoming too much of a "completion" to already established sotylines rather than being interesting on their own. See the difference between Ariel and True North, Skin Deep or Red-Handed: in all of them some Snow White character plays a substantial part making them part of the bigger storyline, but the old ones do actually tale their own fairytale with an original and interesting twist and do focus on their own characters, while Ariel just seemed an all in all superfluous piece of the Snow White puzzle with its own characters totally squeezed in and caught in the crossfire – while, for instance, Tinkerbell had her shining moment in Quite A Common Fairy despite basically just completing Regina's back story. This is perhaps why many people are discontent.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:

      See the difference between Ariel and True North, Skin Deep or Red-Handed: in all of them some Snow White character plays a substantial part making them part of the bigger storyline, but the old ones do actually tale their own fairytale with an original and interesting twist and do focus on their own characters, while Ariel just seemed an all in all superfluous piece of the Snow White puzzle with its own characters totally squeezed in and caught in the crossfire – 

      I would beg to differ.... if anyone was shoehorned into the Ariel flashback, it was Snow White herself. We knew since Skin Deep, that Regina would be involved in The Little Mermaid fairytale, somehow. 

      That said.... Ariel's romance with Prince Eric, in the flashback, could have been handled better. For goodness sake, they were the first Disney couple to go out on a real date.

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      • Falls asleep and fantasizes about Kitsis hiring Dr. Who writers to take over the OUaT storyline.* Awwhh yeahhh ^.^ <3
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    • Ooh! Or Joss Whedon! *lol*

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    • Well, if OUaT does get cancelled.... hopefully they will have told a complete story, during the second half of the season. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:

      See the difference between Ariel and True North, Skin Deep or Red-Handed: in all of them some Snow White character plays a substantial part making them part of the bigger storyline, but the old ones do actually tale their own fairytale with an original and interesting twist and do focus on their own characters, while Ariel just seemed an all in all superfluous piece of the Snow White puzzle with its own characters totally squeezed in and caught in the crossfire – 

      I would beg to differ.... if anyone was shoehorned into the Ariel flashback, it was Snow White herself. We knew since Skin Deep, that Regina would be involved in The Little Mermaid fairytale, somehow. 

      That said.... Ariel's romance with Prince Eric, in the flashback, could have been handled better. For goodness sake, they were the first Disney couple to go out on a real date.

      Well yes, Snow plays a rather marginal role there, but that's not exactly what I meant. It was more like, while Regina sets in motion the whole Hansel and Gretel story, then ruins the Beauty and the Beast happy ending, and Snow helps Little Red Riging Hood to have another chapter, those tales go by themselves, Regina and Snow's interventions only include them into the bigger picture. Here the story was: Regina is chasing Snow White, period; the whole Little Mermaid tale was just a marginal detail of this. That's why it was so poorly developed. It felt like, rather than taking a fairytale and rewriting it to include the feud into the story, here we had the feud first and then wrote the new fairytale into it. It's a subtle difference, but it's there.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:

      Here the story was: Regina is chasing Snow White, period; the whole Little Mermaid tale was just a marginal detail of this. That's why it was so poorly developed. It felt like, rather than taking a fairytale and rewriting it to include the feud into the story, here we had the feud first and then wrote the new fairytale into it. It's a subtle difference, but it's there.

      I see you point.... while the Ariel flashback was strong, it still could have been better.

      I felt like the Regina chasing Snow White stuff, was in the background. Especially, when Regina stole Ariel's voice.... as that was solely revenge on Ariel. Perhaps the main problem, was the format. The events seemed to be, a what happened off-page mashup, instead of an actual twist to the tale. 

      Ariel shined as a character, once she went to Storybrooke. Her curiousity come out in full-bloom. Hopefully, we will see more of it, during the second half.

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    • Jane Espenson said on Twitter that OUaT will continud at least until 2017... I don't know if anyone said that before me but I thought of this as very reassuring that it's not going to be cancelled! :)

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    • Is there a link we could see?

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    • Child of the Moon7 wrote:
      Jane Espenson said on Twitter that OUaT will continud at least until 2017... I don't know if anyone said that before me but I thought of this as very reassuring that it's not going to be cancelled! :)

      It's quite possible, its ratings are good enough for season 4 (2014-2015), then maybe we will get even season 5 (2015-2016). But writing must improve. Imo creators planned season 1 for years and after the Curse was broken they kinda didn't know which direction to choose. That's why season 1 was a way better and more consistent than seasons 2 and 3 combined.

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    • Child of the Moon7 wrote:
      Jane Espenson said on Twitter that OUaT will continud at least until 2017... I don't know if anyone said that before me but I thought of this as very reassuring that it's not going to be cancelled! :)

      What the hell? Are you serious? I like OUaT but six or seven seasons? Too much!

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:

      But writing must improve. Imo creators planned season 1 for years and after the Curse was broken they kinda didn't know which direction to choose. That's why season 1 was a way better and more consistent than seasons 2 and 3 combined.

      You are 100% correct!

      If OUaT wants to survive, the writing needs to improve. Season 1 was great, and incredibly well thought out. The breaking of the Dark Curse, was the plan. Plus, there was the charming juxtaposition of the flashbacks, with present-day Storybrooke. 

      Season 3 has been more consistent, than Season 2. However, I think that has more to do with the network, than the writers. ABC/Disney probably gave them an ultimatum, when the show was renewed.... i.e.: give the plan for the season to review, in advance. It would explain, why Season 3 will be split into two mini-seasons.

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    • Budloopy4 wrote:
      Is there a link we could see?

      https://twitter.com/JaneEspenson/status/398699902328246272

      Here it is!

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    • She can make that claim all she wants, but that decision belongs to the network. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      She can make that claim all she wants, but that decision belongs to the network. 

      Yes, you're right... It just seemed to be reassuring to me about the show not being cancelled and all ;)

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    • Red alert: ratings hit another low, 6.60 million but what's more disturbing is only 1.9  18-49 rating. I miss those days when episodes like The Outsider were considered to have bad ratings.

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    • Stop looking at the hard numbers. The show competes with the NFL at times which drags down ratings across the board. The important numbers are the comparison numbers.

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    • Where can we find those numbers?

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    • Budloopy4 wrote:
      Where can we find those numbers?

      Here: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/

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    • Could you elaborate on that link, I could not find it.

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    • As of now, I don't think so, but this week's episode did hit the "series low" mark. (Probably because of Almost Human and Football...and possibly storm coverage.) I'm sure ratings will bounce back up so nothing to worry about as of now. 

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    • Budloopy4 wrote:
      Could you elaborate on that link, I could not find it.

      Try here: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/11/18/tv-ratings-sunday-almost-human-has-strong-debut-once-upon-a-time-hits-new-low-revenge-family-guy-rise/216323/

      On this site you can find ratings for every main network. They post those numbers every day.

      MasteroftheHat, after this shocking episode, I am sure that ratings will go up for the next one.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:
      Budloopy4 wrote:
      Could you elaborate on that link, I could not find it.
      Try here: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2013/11/18/tv-ratings-sunday-almost-human-has-strong-debut-once-upon-a-time-hits-new-low-revenge-family-guy-rise/216323/

      On this site you can find ratings for every main network. They post those numbers every day.

      MasteroftheHat, after this shocking episode, I am sure that ratings will go up for the next one.

      No doubt! But what with the amount of people that may have missed it, I'm worried about the rest of the season.

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    • MasteroftheHat wrote:

      No doubt! But what with the amount of people that may have missed it, I'm worried about the rest of the season.

      They'll probably read about it somewhere. If I'm not mistaken, OUaT is the most-talked about broadcast show on the social networks (the Walking Dead is no 1 cable show).

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    • MasteroftheHat wrote:
      As of now, I don't think so, but this week's episode did hit the "series low" mark. (Probably because of Almost Human and Football...and possibly storm coverage.) I'm sure ratings will bounce back up so nothing to worry about as of now. 

      Indeed. The first 20 minutes of my episode was interrupted by the local news' tornado coverage.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      MasteroftheHat wrote:
      As of now, I don't think so, but this week's episode did hit the "series low" mark. (Probably because of Almost Human and Football...and possibly storm coverage.) I'm sure ratings will bounce back up so nothing to worry about as of now. 
      Indeed. The first 20 minutes of my episode was interrupted by the local news' tornado coverage.

      My thoughts and prayers to those who were affected by the damage.........such terrible timing too what with it almost being Thanksgiving and all. But I am a bit disappointed about the two week break. When I went to the D23 Expo, Kitsis and Horowitz promised that the first half would run STRAIGHT no interuptions...but then again, that's what we have Wonderland for. I can only hope that picks up as well. 

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    • This interruption isn't an arbitary one, it's for the American Music Awards. It's likely the creators just didn't know about it at the time.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      This interruption isn't an arbitary one, it's for the American Music Awards. It's likely the creators just didn't know about it at the time.

      Not only that, but this interruption is perfectly timed.... Think Lovely Thoughts was an intense episode. I am sure most people are still reeling, from the twist and cliffhanger.

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    • Prince of Rascia wrote:
      Red alert: ratings hit another low, 6.60 million but what's more disturbing is only 1.9  18-49 rating. I miss those days when episodes like The Outsider were considered to have bad ratings.


      Yeah, hi? There was only a crap-ton of tornadoes hitting the Midwest, affecting 125 million or so people. Not everyone was able to see the episode due to coverage or getting hit by the storm.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      This interruption isn't an arbitary one, it's for the American Music Awards. It's likely the creators just didn't know about it at the time.

      Lovely.......Another reason for me to hate today's music; it gets in the way of my favorite tv shows. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      This interruption isn't an arbitary one, it's for the American Music Awards. It's likely the creators just didn't know about it at the time.
      Not only that, but this interruption is perfectly timed.... Think Lovely Thoughts was an intense episode. I am sure most people are still reeling, from the twist and cliffhanger.

      Oh yes of course, but two weeks is sure to drive said people mad! I know I'll find something to pass the time, but I'm simply DYING (ha ha) to know what happens next. 

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    • MasteroftheHat wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote: Not only that, but this interruption is perfectly timed.... Think Lovely Thoughts was an intense episode. I am sure most people are still reeling, from the twist and cliffhanger.
      Oh yes of course, but two weeks is sure to drive said people mad! I know I'll find something to pass the time, but I'm simply DYING (ha ha) to know what happens next. 

      I am not dying to know, what happens next. I am just savoring Peter Pan's evil triumph, and Henry's death.... muahahahaha!!!!

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    • MasteroftheHat wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      This interruption isn't an arbitary one, it's for the American Music Awards. It's likely the creators just didn't know about it at the time.
      Lovely.......Another reason for me to hate today's music; it gets in the way of my favorite tv shows. 

      It's just two weeks lol. Less than that, now.

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:
      MasteroftheHat wrote:
      ChocolatEyes613 wrote: Not only that, but this interruption is perfectly timed.... Think Lovely Thoughts was an intense episode. I am sure most people are still reeling, from the twist and cliffhanger.
      Oh yes of course, but two weeks is sure to drive said people mad! I know I'll find something to pass the time, but I'm simply DYING (ha ha) to know what happens next. 
      I am not dying to know, what happens next. I am just savoring Peter Pan's evil triumph, and Henry's death.... muahahahaha!!!!

      I admit I'm enjoying the latter, too. :P

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      MasteroftheHat wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      This interruption isn't an arbitary one, it's for the American Music Awards. It's likely the creators just didn't know about it at the time.
      Lovely.......Another reason for me to hate today's music; it gets in the way of my favorite tv shows. 
      It's just two weeks lol. Less than that, now.

      D'ooooh IIII knooooow.......but these breaks kill me.  

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    • MasteroftheHat wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      MasteroftheHat wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:
      This interruption isn't an arbitary one, it's for the American Music Awards. It's likely the creators just didn't know about it at the time.
      Lovely.......Another reason for me to hate today's music; it gets in the way of my favorite tv shows. 
      It's just two weeks lol. Less than that, now.
      D'ooooh IIII knooooow.......but these breaks kill me.  

      It's killing me tooo Larryyyyyyyyyy D;

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    • MasteroftheHat wrote:

      D'ooooh IIII knooooow.......but these breaks kill me.  

      Patience is learned, my friend :D

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    • I think Wonderland is in danger of being cancelled.  Not the main series.  I think the more likely possiblity is for Horowitz and Kitsis to end Wonderland, then migrate some of Wonderland's characters into OUAT.   

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    • It would be awesome if they do only one season of OUAT in Wonderland, and next year do another season but in a different world. An anthology, like American Horror Story. 

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    • GrecianGoddess wrote:
      I think Wonderland is in danger of being cancelled.  Not the main series.  I think the more likely possiblity is for Horowitz and Kitsis to end Wonderland, then migrate some of Wonderland's characters into OUAT.   

      I don't know that it would be wise to do that, tho. :S I mean, if the show were cancelled because of poor ratings (which I doubt) transplating characters from an unpopular show might drive viewers away.

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    • How so? (Just out of curiosity of course.) It IS in the same universe after all, so so long as said characters aren't made prominent or upstage any main characters it could work. I'd certainly like to see Will in Storybrooke again. Or maybe Jafar in an Agrabah related flashback...(not that I see one happening in ONCE too soon. But I can only hope.)

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      GrecianGoddess wrote:
      I think Wonderland is in danger of being cancelled.  Not the main series.  I think the more likely possiblity is for Horowitz and Kitsis to end Wonderland, then migrate some of Wonderland's characters into OUAT.   

      I don't know that it would be wise to do that, tho. :S I mean, if the show were cancelled because of poor ratings (which I doubt) transplating characters from an unpopular show might drive viewers away.

      I agree, I think OUaT and OUaTiW should stay as two separate shows!

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    • Love the show and really hope it won't be cancelled!!

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    • MasteroftheHat wrote:
      How so? (Just out of curiosity of course.) It IS in the same universe after all, so so long as said characters aren't made prominent or upstage any main characters it could work. I'd certainly like to see Will in Storybrooke again. Or maybe Jafar in an Agrabah related flashback...(not that I see one happening in ONCE too soon. But I can only hope.)

      I mean from a purely, "this failed, so why would we shove it into something else and drag that down?" objective standpoint, not a "I love this show and its characters!" way. XD

      Putting something that failed into something that is doing well usually doesn't pan out well. To a more causal viewer, it might tick them off. "Man, I didn't like that Wonderland show, and now that it's cancelled, they wanna shove those characters at me?"

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    • ^You make a very good point. :3..

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    • I see.......hmm......a good point, but a bit unfair to those who may like both shows. Then again, it'd be unfair to those who only liked the main show. :/

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      MasteroftheHat wrote:
      How so? (Just out of curiosity of course.) It IS in the same universe after all, so so long as said characters aren't made prominent or upstage any main characters it could work. I'd certainly like to see Will in Storybrooke again. Or maybe Jafar in an Agrabah related flashback...(not that I see one happening in ONCE too soon. But I can only hope.)
      I mean from a purely, "this failed, so why would we shove it into something else and drag that down?" objective standpoint, not a "I love this show and its characters!" way. XD

      Putting something that failed into something that is doing well usually doesn't pan out well. To a more causal viewer, it might tick them off. "Man, I didn't like that Wonderland show, and now that it's cancelled, they wanna shove those characters at me?"

      Or.. It could be the other way around. Maybe it is the characters we love but not the story itself.

      Like me, I love all the OUaT characters.

      I don't have an issue with them unlike many others here. 

      But the Story, to me, can be so so much more.

      In my eye's bringing in some OUaTW

      characters to Storybrooke would be cool.

      As long as the story, the episodes get more heart pounding. Like it was in season one. 

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    • Now an all time low of 6.44 million, is this getting more serious?

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    • Budloopy4 wrote:
      Now an all time low of 6.44 million, is this getting more serious?

      I noticed this, too...:(

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    • The show is fantastic just the way it is in my opinion.I am confident that the show wont be cancelled.

      "I have the one thing you guys need not more than anything,hope!"

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    • I like this show but I wouldn't be sad if it ended this season. I honestly don't see the fact of adding and adding villains like a good idea. Also, the flasbacks are boring now. I mean, what was 310 flashback? It was totally useless and nonsense. Anyway, I think the reason this show is getting lower ratings than previous seasons is because it hasn't a clear goal. I don't know if I was clear but this is my opinion. They should do what they did with Season One.

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    • Sipp36 wrote:
      I like this show but I wouldn't be sad if it ended this season. I honestly don't see the fact of adding and adding villains like a good idea. Also, the flasbacks are boring now. I mean, what was 310 flashback? It was totally useless and nonsense. Anyway, I think the reason this show is getting lower ratings than previous seasons is because it hasn't a clear goal. I don't know if I was clear but this is my opinion. They should do what they did with Season One.

      I agreed that ending the show at the end of Season 3, might be a good idea. Heck.... 3.11 felt more like a series finale, than a mid-season finale, to me. 

      Season 3 has been getting lower ratings, than the previous seasons; but I blame Season 2, for that. Season 2 was a mess, and turned a lot of viewers off. Looking back - sure, it had some good moments - the whole thing felt like filler. 

      While adding the Wicked Witch of the West, as the new villian, might blow up in OUaT's face.... everything else about the second half seems promising. The fairytale flashbacks, will be of the year everyone returned to the Enchanted Forest. That is totally new information, the audience knows nothing about. 

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    • ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Sipp36 wrote:
      I like this show but I wouldn't be sad if it ended this season. I honestly don't see the fact of adding and adding villains like a good idea. Also, the flasbacks are boring now. I mean, what was 310 flashback? It was totally useless and nonsense. Anyway, I think the reason this show is getting lower ratings than previous seasons is because it hasn't a clear goal. I don't know if I was clear but this is my opinion. They should do what they did with Season One.

      I agreed that ending the show at the end of Season 3, might be a good idea. Heck.... 3.11 felt more like a series finale, than a mid-season finale, to me. 

      Season 3 has been getting lower ratings, than the previous seasons; but I blame Season 2, for that. Season 2 was a mess, and turned a lot of viewers off. Looking back - sure, it had some good moments - the whole thing felt like filler. 

      While adding the Wicked Witch of the West, as the new villian, might blow up in OUaT's face.... everything else about the second half seems promising. The fairytale flashbacks, will be of the year everyone returned to the Enchanted Forest. That is totally new information, the audience knows nothing about. 

      Completely agree with this. Season Two was a huge mess with some good moments.

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    • Sipp36 wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Sipp36 wrote:
      I like this show but I wouldn't be sad if it ended this season. I honestly don't see the fact of adding and adding villains like a good idea. Also, the flasbacks are boring now. I mean, what was 310 flashback? It was totally useless and nonsense. Anyway, I think the reason this show is getting lower ratings than previous seasons is because it hasn't a clear goal. I don't know if I was clear but this is my opinion. They should do what they did with Season One.
      I agreed that ending the show at the end of Season 3, might be a good idea. Heck.... 3.11 felt more like a series finale, than a mid-season finale, to me. 

      Season 3 has been getting lower ratings, than the previous seasons; but I blame Season 2, for that. Season 2 was a mess, and turned a lot of viewers off. Looking back - sure, it had some good moments - the whole thing felt like filler. 

      While adding the Wicked Witch of the West, as the new villian, might blow up in OUaT's face.... everything else about the second half seems promising. The fairytale flashbacks, will be of the year everyone returned to the Enchanted Forest. That is totally new information, the audience knows nothing about. 

      Completely agree with this. Season Two was a huge mess with some good moments.

      How was it a huge mess? I really enjoyed season 2 :)

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote:

      Sipp36 wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:

      Sipp36 wrote:
      I like this show but I wouldn't be sad if it ended this season. I honestly don't see the fact of adding and adding villains like a good idea. Also, the flasbacks are boring now. I mean, what was 310 flashback? It was totally useless and nonsense. Anyway, I think the reason this show is getting lower ratings than previous seasons is because it hasn't a clear goal. I don't know if I was clear but this is my opinion. They should do what they did with Season One.
      I agreed that ending the show at the end of Season 3, might be a good idea. Heck.... 3.11 felt more like a series finale, than a mid-season finale, to me. 

      Season 3 has been getting lower ratings, than the previous seasons; but I blame Season 2, for that. Season 2 was a mess, and turned a lot of viewers off. Looking back - sure, it had some good moments - the whole thing felt like filler. 

      While adding the Wicked Witch of the West, as the new villian, might blow up in OUaT's face.... everything else about the second half seems promising. The fairytale flashbacks, will be of the year everyone returned to the Enchanted Forest. That is totally new information, the audience knows nothing about. 

      Completely agree with this. Season Two was a huge mess with some good moments.

      How was it a huge mess? I really enjoyed season 2 :)

      I respect your opinion. You liked it. I didn't.

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    • Sipp36 wrote:

      XxBadWolfxX wrote:


      Sipp36 wrote:

      ChocolatEyes613 wrote:



      Sipp36 wrote:
      I like this show but I wouldn't be sad if it ended this season. I honestly don't see the fact of adding and adding villains like a good idea. Also, the flasbacks are boring now. I mean, what was 310 flashback? It was totally useless and nonsense. Anyway, I think the reason this show is getting lower ratings than previous seasons is because it hasn't a clear goal. I don't know if I was clear but this is my opinion. They should do what they did with Season One.
      I agreed that ending the show at the end of Season 3, might be a good idea. Heck.... 3.11 felt more like a series finale, than a mid-season finale, to me. 

      Season 3 has been getting lower ratings, than the previous seasons; but I blame Season 2, for that. Season 2 was a mess, and turned a lot of viewers off. Looking back - sure, it had some good moments - the whole thing felt like filler. 

      While adding the Wicked Witch of the West, as the new villian, might blow up in OUaT's face.... everything else about the second half seems promising. The fairytale flashbacks, will be of the year everyone returned to the Enchanted Forest. That is totally new information, the audience knows nothing about. 

      Completely agree with this. Season Two was a huge mess with some good moments.
      How was it a huge mess? I really enjoyed season 2 :)
      I respect your opinion. You liked it. I didn't.

      Apologies. I wasn't after changing your opinion -.-  Just wanted discuss but apparently no -.-

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    • Personally, I would have been pissed if that was the series finale. So much for a show about HOPE and happy endings, right? Snow and Charming ripped apart from their daughter, Neal and Belle believing their father/love is dead, Emma and Henry living fake lives...


      Terrible series finale, imo. Thank God it was just a mid-season cliffhanger.

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    • Fluteline24 wrote:
      Personally, I would have been pissed if that was the series finale. So much for a show about HOPE and happy endings, right? Snow and Charming ripped apart from their daughter, Neal and Belle believing their father/love is dead, Emma and Henry living fake lives...


      Terrible series finale, imo. Thank God it was just a mid-season cliffhanger.

      Agreed, great midseason finale, terrible series finale XD

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    • nope, pretty sure it'll continue.

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    • I think once upon a timee will have at least 4 seasons

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    • OUaT is top 5 ABC scripted show, and is usually in top 10 scripted shows of all broadcasting networks, so I don't see it going anywhere soon.

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    • XxBadWolfxX wrote: Awww Maan. I wish people would stop with the ships and insisting of good graphics and just enjoy the story (; Although the graphics need improvement. These ships are getting way too crazy. And if all one wants to do is ship characters and then not watch the show if the ship doesn't happen ain't no fan in the first place. I do hope we can see season 4.

      Seriously, You are probably the best fan I've seen in a VERY LONG time!!! THANK YOU! :)

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    • Whether it's for the story, the ships, the graphics and special effects, or a favorite actor/actress, people can watch, or stop watching, a show for any reason they like.  Calling them "immature" or "not true fans" is pointless and irrelevant.  Nobody owes this show their patronage.

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