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  • Bae ends up on the Jolly Roger . . . how does that happen when Rumple didn't kill Milah and 'hook' Hook until years after Bae left??? The writers have now definitely implied that Bae first came to LWM after leaving FTL but then 6 months or so after arriving here he leaves to go to Neverland and Hook's already there! I know I'll get the 'time moves differently in FTL' line but it just doesn't seem to fit! 

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    • Oops! Hadn't logged in lol

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    • Well, I did not notice that until you pointed it out. Yes, apparently the only reasonable explanation is "time moves differently"...

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    • Well. The flashbacks in this episode are set six months after Bae's disappearance. And it is highly plausible that Rumplestiltskin found Milah five or six months after losing Bae. There is nothing going against it.

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    • Rumple was already The Dark One when he let go of Bae, so it's very possible that after 5 or 6 months he would have the battle with Hook. Remember at the end of "The Crocodile", Smee asks where they are going and Hook answers «Neverland». Maybe they have just arrived when Bae land there too…

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    • Motanz wrote:
      Rumple was already The Dark One when he let go of Bae, so it's very possible that after 5 or 6 months he would have the battle with Hook. Remember at the end of "The Crocodile", Smee asks where they are going and Hook answers «Neverland». Maybe they have just arrived when Bae land there too…

      I agree. That would make the most sense for the time line. I'm hoping they go into more detail in the next epsiode.

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    • Actually the timeline makes sense. Rumple was already the Dark One when Bae end up in London (it was the reason he ended up there) and he could be searching for a way to find his son when Smee contacted him a few months later. He kills Milah and cuts off Killian's hand and then he goes to Neverland. What's of anachronic there?

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    • The only thing that bothers me about the timeline of Ep21 is that Rumple is said to be 300 years old, while Bae ended up in the Edwardian Era, which is in the early 1900. It's about a century from present time, what happened to the other 200 years?

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      The only thing that bothers me about the timeline of Ep21 is that Rumple is said to be 300 years old, while Bae ended up in the Edwardian Era, which is in the early 1900. It's about a century from present time, what happened to the other 200 years?

      Neal was in Neverland, where he don't grown up.

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    • wendy explained time moves differently in neverland? maybe thats why?

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    • For some reason I couldn't respond on this page!!

      I guess I've always assumed that it was years between Bae leaving and Rumple finding Milah and Hook. Think it's because he'd turned greener and darker in spirit.  I suppose it could have been only months - it's interesting how different people interpret things differently!! We're not given any indication of how much time has passed between events and we've all come up with different thoughts on how long it's been.

      Thinking about it he's still in his 'hut' when he kills Milah and not in his mansion so it could have only been months!!

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    • 98.197.195.219 wrote:
      You're a bright one. . . Idiot.

      And you're just rude! 

      As mentioned above I believed years had passed between Bae leaving and Rumple killing Milah.

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    • Brzoskwinia wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      The only thing that bothers me about the timeline of Ep21 is that Rumple is said to be 300 years old, while Bae ended up in the Edwardian Era, which is in the early 1900. It's about a century from present time, what happened to the other 200 years?
      Neal was in Neverland, where he don't grown up.

      Yes, but that's not my point. The time in the Enchanted Forest and in our world seems to run simultaneously. So given how Bae arrived a century ago in our world, just a century would have passed in EF too, regardless of where he's been ever since. It was said that Rumple has been around for three centuries. So, this is a little inconsistency, unless Bae popped up in some random moment because he travelled both in space and time.

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    • I think a dead give away will be if Hook has a hand or a hook in the Neverland part of the season finale. That will establish if the timeline. My guess is that it is after Rumple takes his hand and kills Milah but may be it is not.

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    • Hook has his hook - he also introduced himself as Captain Hook and not Killian Jones so it's definitely post Rumple killing Milah.

      GothicNarcissus wrote ....It was said that Rumple has been around for three centuries.

      Where has it come from that Rumple's 300yrs old? I don't remember this being said! Is this from one of K&H's interviews?

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    • OldBid wrote:
      Hook has his hook - he also introduced himself as Captain Hook and not Killian Jones so it's definitely post Rumple killing Milah.

      GothicNarcissus wrote ....It was said that Rumple has been around for three centuries.

      Where has it come from that Rumple's 300yrs old? I don't remember this being said! Is this from one of K&H's interviews?

      I think so, I don't remember. It's written on Rumple's page on the trivia section so I guess it came from a reliable source. Anyone remembers where the info is from?

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    • Another thing that gets me (and I could just be being thick again) is how did Rumple know Bae was still alive? Surely he would assume the opposite? He knew Bae left FTL for a 'land without magic' and most people, even in FTL, age at the same rate we do (or so it appears to me).  Rumple has survived ?300yrs as he's The Dark One. He didn't know Bae had gone to Neverland or another land where he didn't age so WHY did he assume Bae's survived to be 300yrs old too??

      Just one of OUaT's little mysteries I suppose!

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    • That can be explained with the prophecy, I guess: he knew he would find him in the end, somehow.

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    • Oh yeah! Forgot he had the power of foresight and had been told by the seer he would find him!! Doh! Think the alzheimers is kicking in lol!

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:
      Brzoskwinia wrote:
      GothicNarcissus wrote:
      The only thing that bothers me about the timeline of Ep21 is that Rumple is said to be 300 years old, while Bae ended up in the Edwardian Era, which is in the early 1900. It's about a century from present time, what happened to the other 200 years?
      Neal was in Neverland, where he don't grown up.
      Yes, but that's not my point. The time in the Enchanted Forest and in our world seems to run simultaneously. So given how Bae arrived a century ago in our world, just a century would have passed in EF too, regardless of where he's been ever since. It was said that Rumple has been around for three centuries. So, this is a little inconsistency, unless Bae popped up in some random moment because he travelled both in space and time

      I'm assuming that the time runs differently in every world. Look at Neverland, it's a place where time doesn't move at all. What could have been 100 years in our world, could be 300 in the EF.

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote:

      OldBid wrote:
      Hook has his hook - he also introduced himself as Captain Hook and not Killian Jones so it's definitely post Rumple killing Milah.

      GothicNarcissus wrote ....It was said that Rumple has been around for three centuries.

      Where has it come from that Rumple's 300yrs old? I don't remember this being said! Is this from one of K&H's interviews?

      I think so, I don't remember. It's written on Rumple's page on the trivia section so I guess it came from a reliable source. Anyone remembers where the info is from?

      It came, originally, from a statement made by Robert Carlyle. However, Neal corroborated it when he told Emma that the LWM wasn't his first stop, "If it was, I'd be like, 300 years old".

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      GothicNarcissus wrote:

      OldBid wrote:
      Hook has his hook - he also introduced himself as Captain Hook and not Killian Jones so it's definitely post Rumple killing Milah.

      GothicNarcissus wrote ....It was said that Rumple has been around for three centuries.

      Where has it come from that Rumple's 300yrs old? I don't remember this being said! Is this from one of K&H's interviews?

      I think so, I don't remember. It's written on Rumple's page on the trivia section so I guess it came from a reliable source. Anyone remembers where the info is from?

      It came, originally, from a statement made by Robert Carlyle. However, Neal corroborated it when he told Emma that the LWM wasn't his first stop, "If it was, I'd be like, 300 years old".

      o.o I thought he said "I'd be a couple hundred years old"? that could either mean:

      • He's like 100/150 and Neal exagerated a bit.
      • He's 200/+

      Also, is there any actual evidence that Bae didn't appear in the Land Without Magic on 1700? I'm really bad at history, so, I'm not very sure XD

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    • Again, as many people pointed out when we were predicting Neal was Baelfire, he traveled through TIME and space. Therefore, he could have traveled 200 years into the future through the portal, gone to neverland, and come back about 100 years later to meet Emma in 2001.

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    • did you ever think that Rumple cut of hook's hand and killed Millah before Bae left in the portal to england?

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    • Bae also probably spent a significant amount of time in the Darling household in order to become one of Wendy's "brothers"...

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:

      GothicNarcissus wrote:


      OldBid wrote:
      Hook has his hook - he also introduced himself as Captain Hook and not Killian Jones so it's definitely post Rumple killing Milah.

      GothicNarcissus wrote ....It was said that Rumple has been around for three centuries.

      Where has it come from that Rumple's 300yrs old? I don't remember this being said! Is this from one of K&H's interviews?

      I think so, I don't remember. It's written on Rumple's page on the trivia section so I guess it came from a reliable source. Anyone remembers where the info is from?
      It came, originally, from a statement made by Robert Carlyle. However, Neal corroborated it when he told Emma that the LWM wasn't his first stop, "If it was, I'd be like, 300 years old".
      o.o I thought he said "I'd be a couple hundred years old"? that could either mean:
      • He's like 100/150 and Neal exagerated a bit.
      • He's 200/+

      Also, is there any actual evidence that Bae didn't appear in the Land Without Magic on 1700? I'm really bad at history, so, I'm not very sure XD


      Yeah I heard 'couple of hundred years old' too!  I suppose Robert Carlyle could have got it wrong?!  If they set the Darling's to be in 1700 then that'd work but Peter Pan itself is set around the 1900 mark, that's where everyone's getting that date from (plus the costumes/set etc point more to 1900 than 1700).

      A Spy in the Mirror24.161.0.10 did you ever think that Rumple cut of hook's hand and killed Millah before Bae left in the portal to england? No! IMO He definitely did that after Bae had gone as he was all 'crocodiled' up by then (not so much when Bae was around).

      Darlingpirate Bae also probably spent a significant amount of time in the Darling household in order to become one of Wendy's "brothers"...

      From last week's episode it appeared that he only spent a small amount of time there (unless he goes back of course). I would have said no more than a month - he started off sleeping on the floor but had a bed by the time the shadow came.

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      Utter solitude wrote:

      GothicNarcissus wrote:


      OldBid wrote:
      Hook has his hook - he also introduced himself as Captain Hook and not Killian Jones so it's definitely post Rumple killing Milah.

      GothicNarcissus wrote ....It was said that Rumple has been around for three centuries.

      Where has it come from that Rumple's 300yrs old? I don't remember this being said! Is this from one of K&H's interviews?

      I think so, I don't remember. It's written on Rumple's page on the trivia section so I guess it came from a reliable source. Anyone remembers where the info is from?
      It came, originally, from a statement made by Robert Carlyle. However, Neal corroborated it when he told Emma that the LWM wasn't his first stop, "If it was, I'd be like, 300 years old".
      o.o I thought he said "I'd be a couple hundred years old"? that could either mean:
      • He's like 100/150 and Neal exagerated a bit.
      • He's 200/+

      Also, is there any actual evidence that Bae didn't appear in the Land Without Magic on 1700? I'm really bad at history, so, I'm not very sure XD

      The Elizabeth Tower (aka the Big Ben) was completed only in 1858, so it can't be prior to the second half of 19th Century. But then again, upper and middle classes in England had a very strict dresscode at the time and followed fashion closely: you can really tell the decade by looking at the women's dresses. That's Edwardian definitely, which is from 1900 onwards.

      Of course, as far as it concernes Neal, he remained young by spending a certain amount of time in Neverland and popping up back in our world around the same time as Emma, Pinocchio and Storybrooke did (he seems around his 40s). We also know that time in our world and FTL goes at the same rate, as Cora, Hook, Mulan, Phillip and Aurora spent 28 years frozen, time resumed at the same moment and Emma and Mary Margaret seemed to have spent there the same amount of time that passed in Storybrooke in the meanwhile.

      BUT, we know that FTL and our world were mutually unreachable before the Curse. Perhaps the curse took everybody in the time period where Neal was, and the two timelines only aligned from that moment on.

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    • who said rumple didn't kill milah until years after bae left? all we know is it's after Bae left, it could have been a couple days. Also remember that Bae was living with Wendy for about a month.

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    • 24.185.32.75 wrote:
      who said rumple didn't kill milah until years after bae left? all we know is it's after Bae left, it could have been a couple days. Also remember that Bae was living with Wendy for about a month.


      Nobody said it . . . I just thought it was years but as we were given no time indication it could have been days/months.  I guess now we DO have the time scale - it was about 7/8 months depending how long Bae was at the Darling's house! - I would have said about a month or so personally.

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    • 24.161.0.10 wrote:
      did you ever think that Rumple cut of hook's hand and killed Millah before Bae left in the portal to england?

      While someone pointed out that Rumple hadn't gotten scaley enough yet, the simpler answer is that he was looking for the bean Killian had to find Bae, meaning it happened after Bae left, 

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    • This is all giving me a headache xD

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    • GothicNarcissus wrote: The only thing that bothers me about the timeline of Ep21 is that Rumple is said to be 300 years old, while Bae ended up in the Edwardian Era, which is in the early 1900. It's about a century from present time, what happened to the other 200 years?

      New theory travelling around is that Rumple was once a Lost Boy therefore may have spent a couple of centuries in Neverland which might account for the missing 200 years

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    • Eddiefunny wrote:

      GothicNarcissus wrote: The only thing that bothers me about the timeline of Ep21 is that Rumple is said to be 300 years old, while Bae ended up in the Edwardian Era, which is in the early 1900. It's about a century from present time, what happened to the other 200 years?

      New theory travelling around is that Rumple was once a Lost Boy therefore may have spent a couple of centuries in Neverland which might account for the missing 200 years

      Makes quite some sense, since his father was a coward too and might have abandoned him, after all.

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    • The problem how baelfire believe in magic.

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    • and, now Neal is 35. So looking at our calenders, in 1992. Bae was STILL 14 when he came back to our world, so that would be like 21 years on the streets, homeless, breaking into cars, stealing food and water, plus clothes and most importantly, how did he get that job as a janitor in new jersey.. until, he meets emma, 2 years pass in Tallahassee and then 9 months later, Henry is born and Neal is out of the picture, bcos he sent his girlfriend to jail. i hope that gets mentions in one of michael's new episode this season.

      ohmigod. i just realised something. 3 more weeks to go. YAY!!! So, I agree with JenM when talking about Emma at PaleyFest'13 when she wondered when is Charming goona punch Neal in the face for sending her to jail, so that's when Gold finds out what really happened between Swanfire and eventually Henry will probably have his parents back together again.

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    • assuming he never went somewhere where he aged...

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    • what i meant to say was, he mustve been still 14-at the time, when he came back to LWM from escaping Neverland, i don't know how, but he did. could've been with some help of hook, tink or pans shadow? either way, it would explain alot with how bae became neal, right up until the point when he met emma. but i agree with this new theory about rumple spending alot of time in neverland for 200 years or so, but i still think that from the time, he killed milah and took hook's hand, which was six months after he lost bae, as he spent time with the darlings. up until the timeline, where rumple met cora. seems about right, since it would be about 200+ years or so, -but, ill be in hell-you know, not doing much.

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    • XOXO:P wrote: which was six months after he lost bae,

      Assumption....


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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      XOXO:P wrote: which was six months after he lost bae,
      Assumption....


      what i meant to say was, "it couldve been six months" during the time bae was in london, since hook told bae that rumple killed milah. if i remember from watching the two parters.

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    • I think Robert was wrong and he shouldn't have said that information.

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    • FitzPope wrote:
      I think Robert was wrong and he shouldn't have said that information.

      Robert Carlyle plays the character, this is something he'd get right from the creators.

      However, of course, they may have decided to change the timeline since then.

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