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Other Worlds and their Possible Books?

  • A curious thought might be this: Henry said that Frankenstein wasn't in his book (for obvious reasons.) So would it be possible for there to be other books concerning the stories that happened in the OTHER worlds? This clearly isn't the story Mary Shelley wrote as it diverts greatly from the original novel. However, I myself find it doubtful that there would be another book of its kind. So my questions to you are:

    1. Do you think there might be other books out there about the worlds we saw in the Portal of Doors? (When you think about it, Henry didn't know about the whole involvement with Frankenstein back in the Enchanted Forest and frankly, neither did the rest of the town. So who knows what other characters from other worlds ended up there that weren't in the book that Regina wanted from somewhere else? Were there other lands behind the doors that weren't in the book?)

    2. Some of these stories are clearly a bit more...shall we say "newer" than others, so how do you suppose these new worlds come into being? Did the authors simply create the worlds through the books, thus birthing new worlds? OR did the authors visit these worlds and simply write them down?

    3. Why do you think whoever wrote the OUaT book decided to do so? Were they hinting to something? Or were they subliminally trying to reach out to Emma and wound up in Henry's posession instead?

    What do you think?

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    • I believe that things happen because they are written in the book. That the book is a precursor, that perhaps dictates what happens. My other theory is that what we are watching isn't actually happening its just a bedtime story being told to a child out of said book.

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    • A Rose by any other Name wrote:
      I believe that things happen because they are written in the book. That the book is a precursor, that perhaps dictates what happens. My other theory is that what we are watching isn't actually happening its just a bedtime story being told to a child out of said book.


      I like your theory that it's just a bedtime story. That would be really, really interesting.

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    • Well, I hope that it won't end that way as a bedtime story, but if it did, I like the child to be Henry.

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    • PinkBell wrote:
      Well, I hope that it won't end that way as a bedtime story, but if it did, I like the child to be Henry.

      That would be good because it makes sense that a parent telling a child a bedtime story like that would make the child a hero in the story.

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    • Not exactly what I was asking but okaaaay.

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    • The Brown Door with Trees= The Shire.(LotR) Pink Brink "Door"= Christmas themed world(Carol, Rudolph, etc) Grey Door= Land Without Colour. Blue Door, Four Knobs= Neverland,(Second to the Right[lone knob] Straight on til Morning[three knobs in a line] Pan and the Three Darlings)

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    • 99.234.32.246 wrote:
      The Brown Door with Trees= The Shire.(LotR)

      Pink Brink "Door"= Christmas themed world(Carol, Rudolph, etc) Grey Door= Land Without Colour. Blue Door, Four Knobs= Neverland,(Second to the Right[lone knob] Straight on til Morning[three knobs in a line] Pan and the Three Darlings)

      Don't forget Oz and Wonderland.

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    • MasteroftheHat wrote:
      A curious thought might be this: Henry said that Frankenstein wasn't in his book (for obvious reasons.) So would it be possible for there to be other books concerning the stories that happened in the OTHER worlds? This clearly isn't the story Mary Shelley wrote as it diverts greatly from the original novel. However, I myself find it doubtful that there would be another book of its kind. So my questions to you are:

      1. Do you think there might be other books out there about the worlds we saw in the Portal of Doors? (When you think about it, Henry didn't know about the whole involvement with Frankenstein back in the Enchanted Forest and frankly, neither did the rest of the town. So who knows what other characters from other worlds ended up there that weren't in the book that Regina wanted from somewhere else? Were there other lands behind the doors that weren't in the book?)

      What do you think?

      I believe whoever wrote the book didn't get to finish writing all the stories before the curse hit. I also think the reason who so many people didn't know who dr. Whale is, is beacause he was only in the enchanted Forest that one time.

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    • I know this is a little off topic...okay totally off topic but still read and think about it. If you remember in Munchkinland in the original, there was also a RED brick road. What if they could do something with that since it was just...there and not even really used?

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    • Oh sorry haha :) I was talking about The Wizard of Oz.

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    • A Rose by any other Name wrote:
      I believe that things happen because they are written in the book. That the book is a precursor, that perhaps dictates what happens. My other theory is that what we are watching isn't actually happening its just a bedtime story being told to a child out of said book.


      But Frankenstein isn't in the book, and he still exists.  Perhaps the book is one of many, but it couldn't be the sole source of the show's reality. 

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    • That's what I mean.

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    • 69.208.139.156 wrote:
      99.234.32.246 wrote:
      The Brown Door with Trees= The Shire.(LotR)

      Pink Brink "Door"= Christmas themed world(Carol, Rudolph, etc) Grey Door= Land Without Colour. Blue Door, Four Knobs= Neverland,(Second to the Right[lone knob] Straight on til Morning[three knobs in a line] Pan and the Three Darlings)

      Don't forget Oz and Wonderland.

      I'm guessing the Pink Brink Door's supposed to be Christmas Town from "Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas". Or Narnia. We have Wonderland and Neverland, and Oz was heavily implied. All we have left is Narnia and "The Square of Fantasy" will be complete.

      And Agraba. Though that might not be another country in the world of the Enchanted Forest and not another world. Or maybe some magical worlds are within the same realm with each other and simply can't be accessed without magic. Like you can't go to another room in the same house without the right key. If an anthropomorphic rabbit can open portals with his magic watch (I'm assuming this, since the show hasn't come out yet), then my theory is salvagable. It's still stupid though, because we all know that anthropomorphic rabbits tap their foot on the ground to magically open rabbit holes to anywhere on the planet. Didn't any of you see "Rise of the Guardians"? :D

      ...wait, talking animals exist in Wonderland, Oz and Narnia. So this show is OBLIGATED to have a talking deer named Bambi in it! With all the snow and temperate atmosphere, I'm thinking Narnia would work best.

      And does anyone else think that Dr. Frankenstein would turn out to be the Wizard of Oz? He's a deeply scientific man that can decieve those who believe in magic into thinking that he's an all powerful Sorcerer. He could also apply his own knowledge of science and his increasing interest in magic and how to apply this to the exact science of surgical anatomy could lead to some of the more industrial/mechanical elements. I'm thinking that Tic Toc, the Tin Woodsman and even the Scarecrow could be byproducts in his attempts of combining the two. Given all the horror-cliché equipment in his lab, he must have some understanding of mechanics. Also, the Blue Fairy is capable of what he's trying to do; make something barely human into an actual human, so maybe the Blue Fairy could take the place of Glinda. Or Tinker-Bell.

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    • A Rose by any other Name wrote:
      I believe that things happen because they are written in the book. That the book is a precursor, that perhaps dictates what happens. My other theory is that what we are watching isn't actually happening its just a bedtime story being told to a child out of said book.

      That would make a very creepy bedtime story to tell a child.

      With this said, I don't think there are other books. As far as we know now, the OUAT book was written simply because somebody had to believe and lead the Saviour to believe, too. It was specifically about FTL and touched other realms only when FTL people were involved (Wonderland and the Mad Hatter). I strongly doubt it has any mystical property – or any property at all beside that. Not all the stories seem to be in there (otherwise Regina first and the Charmings then would have known the reason why Rumple created the curse, and even about Rumple's prophecy), and one tale was even added right before the Curse was broken (Pinocchio), yet it clearly happened before. I think the book simply chronicles some of the events occourred in FTL, and none exist for other realms because there was no need of them.

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    • I thought Henry said Dr. Whale wasn't in any of the books. 

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    • I don't think they're going to let it end like a bedtime story...I'm not sure if that's the show's style. I'd like an ending like the beginning, a black screen saying instead of Once Upon a Time.....This is how it happened something like And they lived happily ever after . The story would seem complete to me then :)

      And to the topic: I don't think there are other books like Henry's. It just centers on the Enchanted Forest because most events took place there. Like GothicNarcissus said, it should probably just help the saviour to believe. 

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    • Besides the Enchanted Forest, the Land Without Color, Wonderland, Neverland, and the Victorian Era-type world, the other known worlds I know of would be Narnia and the Land of Oz. Perhaps each of the worlds are based on some book genres or something like if one based on the mystery genre would have Sherlock Holmes or one based on adventure genre would have something like Moby Dick and any other stories that would fit the category of the adventure genre.

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    • I like to think of the Authors such as the Brothers Grimm, Lewis Caroll or Mary Shelley as prophets who misinterpreted their prophecies and wrote them in a different light... May be crazy but it is true.

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    • Well, we have the Book of Records in Oz. There might be other books...

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      1. Tan Door-Possibly,the Enchanted Forest.
      2. Grey Door-I don't know.  Nightmare before Christmas ? In my wildest dreams Jack will surely cross over to Storybrooke,but now it's more likely for Benedict Cumberbatch to appear as Sherlock or Johnny Depp as Jack Sparrow.
      3. Pink Brick Door-Maybe,Mary Poppins. She likes pink (or does she ?).It's also made of brick,what makes sence,due to Mary Poppins appearing in Victorian Engeland.
      4. Green Door with a Hole-Maybe LotR,maybe the Giants
      5. Brown Door with Trees-The Shire from LotR. However,I also considered the Green Door to be a likely entrance. 
      6. Blue Door with Four Holes-Maybe Eragon ? The four holes would relate to the four books.
      7. Medieval Brown and Grey Door-Narnia.  It's Medieval,and due to one door being occupied by Eragon,it's more than possible to be it.
      8. Light Red Door with Logograms on it-Something Logical. Maybe a world with science that looks like magic.
      9. Reddish Door
      10. Oriental Style Red Door with Golden Knobs-Agrabah or something Orient related.
      11. Green Curtain DoorOz[1]; the door has two handles shaped like an O, with a golden Z on them[2]
      12. Looking GlassWonderland
      13. Coffin-like Door-Land without colors. It's likely to be inhabited by creatures from other horror movies,such as the Mummy or Dracula. The latter one would also explain the coffin.
      14. Normal Door with a Keyhole-More than likely,Harry Potter. Just think about it. It has magic,right ? And it's the closest thing to the world without magic that we can have. Or,maybe (due to the Harry Potter franchise beloning to Warner Bros.) the Bartimaeus Sequence. Surely not as famous,but would be nice for a change.
      15. Pink Door
      16. Greyish Door-Since we've excluded Land without Color,it could be a Steampunk/Fantasy setting. Maybe something Moby Dick or Allan Quatremain related.
      17. Stone-like Door-I don't know. Neverending story ? It sure has a lot of mountains and one of his base inhabitants are Stone Creatures,so I don't know.
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    • Not bad ideas, but there are a few problems with those....one, Tim Burton is very protective of TNBC and I cannot imagine Jack coming over. (I'd love to see it, but how well it fits is up to the beholder.) The Sherriff may have been intended to be Sherlock, but the creators themselves state that unless Benedict or Johnny would be able to willing to do the roles on the show, don't count on it. May Poppins makes no mention of any liking of pink and her books most certainly DO NOT take place in Victorian England. The Shire may be possible, but I don't see it coming on the show. Same with Eragon and Potter if I'm personally honest. Narnia seems to be like it could fit in the OUaT universe, but seeing how the Narnia films are split between companies, that may be a problem for any future show appearances. With these doors, I personally think that there are few that were deliberatley supposed to be hints and others were either put there for decoration. I do remember Eddy Kitsis mentioning a Glass Elevator in that hall of rooms, and we all know what THAT'S from, but even if these doors ARE meant to be the famous worlds of fiction, I doubt they will make any appearances due to company rights. A few mentions may not be out of the question however.

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    • To question #2 from MasteroftheHat's original post, I believe the people and worlds in the story already exist on their own, but it's that no one in the "real" world knows about them until they are written down and the story changes through various "real" world storytelling adaptions. As for who the "author/authors" are, I have no good guesses. XD

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    • Thank you for acknowledging that question too. XD I'm starting to have other ideas concerning authors after seeing the last episode of OUaTiW.

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    • I actually only answered question #2 because I had no good answers for the other questions. XD What's your theory about the book authors? I'd love to hear it.

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    • Actually,first i’ve got a question:who owns the Neverending Story ? If it’s owned by nobody,it’s more than likely to appear.

      Also,the same is for  The Bartimaeus Sequence.

      I also suppose that one of those doors must lead to the Marvel  Filmverse. Does ABC not make “Agents of Shield” too? And since they announced Dr.Strange too, magic is no longer out of question.

      About the writers, I think that they were connected to the realms with dreams (Aurora and Henry).  But, instead of full information, they only received flashes. As a result we got incomplete and broken stories. At some point in the past   the people of the realms managed to get in our world, what resulted in myths and legends (Mulan). But later some people managed to cross over once more, what resulted in new twists on old tales (Brothers Grimm).

      Also, I suppose that some worlds were created by the imagination of people, but weren’t there in the beginning (f.e: Victorian World).



       

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    • I copied this off of the WMG section of the Once Upon a Time page on TV Tropes:

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    • Thank goodness TV Tropes has no authority on this show.

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    • I am also curious about whether the stories of Sleeping Beauty, Mulan and Robin Hood are in the book. The book doesn't have Pinochio in and these other characters never came over in the first curse but the book came to Henry so he could break the curse. So where would their stories fit? In another book? Is the story of King Arthur in the book?  

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    • Robin and Marian's marriage is shown in the Book, whiwh is why Regina said it seems to be immutable. (I assume it's a marriage, but it's definitely Robin and Marian.

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    • Oh I must of missed that bit then. Thanks

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    • There might be world based off the Phantom of the Opera even with a door resembling a stage curtain.

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    • Dark Fantasy1990 wrote:
      There might be world based off the Phantom of the Opera even with a door resembling a stage curtain.

      I doubt that could happen but I like the idea :)

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    • The idea of there being other books sounds like a possibility. As seen, not every story is in Henry's book. It did include other worlds such as Wonderland and Oz. However, it didn't include Arendel, as noone seemed to know who Elsa was, which took place before the movie came out. It also didn't include Neverland, as Henry seemed to know very little about it. Is there a seperate author for every realm? Isacc was only seen in the Enchanted Forest.

      Also, not every flashback seen was part of Henry's book. It appeared to only showthe more traditional parts of the stories. For example, the book included the Wizard of Oz, but he didn't know that Regina had a half-sister.

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    • Isaac started out on Earth. Then he had paid a visit to the 1920s England world and then the Fairy Tale Land. As for someone's claim for the Phantom of the Opera, that character is part of the Horror genre and might be found in the Land Without Color.

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    • Rtkat3 wrote:
      Isaac started out on Earth. Then he had paid a visit to the 1920s England world and then the Fairy Tale Land. As for someone's claim for the Phantom of the Opera, that character is part of the Horror genre and might be found in the Land Without Color.

      I'm thinking more of the Andrew Lloyd Webber musical, and original book that is its own world.

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    • Either way, Erik has been used in various media appearances paired up with the other horror-themed characters like Count Dracula, Frankenstein's Monster, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, the Invisible Man, the Gill-man, the Werewolf, the Mummy, Quasimodo, the Fly, and other horror movie characters that I didn't mention.

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    • OMG then we can have our musical episode

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    • I don't know if the creators would be up to it.

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