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Neal is Baelfire and Peter Pan.

  • It's pretty much confirmed that Baelfire/Neal is Peter Pan. In the "The Queen is Dead" Canadian promo, Neal told Emma that he knew Hook and that Earth wasn't his first stop because if he was he would've been a hundred or so years old by now, a hint that it was Neverland that he went to.

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    • Yeaaaah. Haha, seriously, the writers should come on this wikia and let us pitch our ideas to them, we pretty much figure out most of it anyway. :)) Nah, kidding.. but seriously, though. :P

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    • Don't forget... there are other children who wind up in Neverland, aside from Peter Pan. They confirmed he went to Neverland... not who he -was- there.

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    • Well if he knew Hook, he is either Peter Pan or one of the Lost Boys. When Hook was climbing the beanstalk with Emma he mentioned he hung around a lot of children who felt abandoned. Maybe he was talking about how Baelfire looked when he saw him. 

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    • Royalfortressmeadow wrote:
      Well if he knew Hook, he is either Peter Pan or one of the Lost Boys. When Hook was climbing the beanstalk with Emma he mentioned he hung around a lot of children who felt abandoned. Maybe he was talking about how Baelfire looked when he saw him. 

      My thoughts are, if he were Peter, he never would have left Neverland. The whole point to Peter Pan is that he doesn't want to grow up. In fact, Rumple offered to change Neal back into a fourteen year old boy and he seemed disgusted by the prospect.

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    • Hmm... perhaps when Neal was 14 and in Neverland, he didn't want to grow up because he still had this hope that his Papa would come to him, but as the years passed and his recurring image of Rumple letting go of him, he grew bitter and realized he was abandoned. So he just moved on or something. If this is true, Rumple's offer to turn him back as a child would make sense that he got disgusted. Thoughts? :D

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    • You know in the canadian promo he did say he knew hook long time ago, a big story he said and it wasn't the first time he left home and if he did he would have been around 100. So maybe their is a possibility of that being true.

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    • I think it's more likely that he is just one of the lost boys and not actually Peter.

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    • I read in another thread that they can't use Peter Pan because of copyright or something... it's not public domain... I'm not sure. I'm not on Disney's legal team. I agree with ^ above post: he's probably a Lost Boy. I think it would be too crazy if he was Rumple's son (Baelfire), Henry's dad, Emma's lover, AND Peter Pan. I mean Rumple has a couple of "identities" as the Beast and the Crocodile. I think Neal/Bae's character would be too overloaded if he was Peter Pan as well.

      Also, I'm kinda creeped out by the idea that Emma has hooked up with a 300+ year old dude. Yeah, he doesn't look it, but that's the same kind of thing we make fun of Twilight for. (Although Baelfire is human at least)

      Plus, there's been a couple of subtle references that he was connected to Never Never Land. He or Emma made made conversational mention of it in Tallahassee (I forget exactly what he or she said); Hook has mentioned the look on the Lost Boys' faces because they were abandoned like Emma (and now we find out Neal was one of those boys, supposedly); and Neal mentioned to Rumple in Manhattan how he had seen his father's face in his dreams "for more years than you can know" or something like that.

      It could also explain how Hook knew about the dagger in FTL flashback in "Queen of Hearts." If Bae was in Never Never Land, he could have let it slip somehow.

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    • Royalfortressmeadow wrote:
      Hmm... perhaps when Neal was 14 and in Neverland, he didn't want to grow up because he still had this hope that his Papa would come to him, but as the years passed and his recurring image of Rumple letting go of him, he grew bitter and realized he was abandoned. So he just moved on or something. If this is true, Rumple's offer to turn him back as a child would make sense that he got disgusted. Thoughts? :D

      Wouldn't really fit with the character of Peter Pan, though. Even after meeting Wendy, and having all the Lost Boys leave Neverland to get adopted, Peter still couldn't give up being young. It's more than likely that Neal is a Lost Boy... and I'm totally okay with that, but I would be very disappointed if they made him Peter Pan. It doesn't do justice to the character.

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    • Bae has been to Neverland!!!! I can't wait to see how this will play out.

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    • I think he probably is just a Lost Boy...but still, what a fun plot twist.  As a book lover, I love it seeing all these stories come together.  I love all the different characters being brought in.

      I wonder how he first went to Neverland.  Since the Blue Fairy said she would send him to a Land Without Magic, my theory is that he came here to our world, but then fairies took him to Neverland, just like they also took other Lost Boys.

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    • Unicorn Rose wrote:
      ...I wonder how he first went to Neverland.  Since the Blue Fairy said she would send him to a Land Without Magic, my theory is that he came here to our world, but then fairies took him to Neverland, just like they also took other Lost Boys.

      I don't see how fairies, magical beings, can go to a Land without Magic and take Baelfire to Neverland. At least in OuaT, I don't think fairies can exist in our world before the curse. I think Baelfire may have been brought to Neverland in the first place... but the fact that the Blue Fairy said it would send him to a "Land without magic" really bugs me. XD BUT if this was a lie on the blue fairy's part, it's not the first time she did.

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    • I think the minute his father let go of him he became a "lost boy" and the bean took him to Neverland,where abadoned children go,instead of LWM.

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    • Since we've been speculating on Neal and Peter Pan and the Lost Boys, I thought I would quote a few key parts out of Peter Pan.  I'm not sure how the writers might adapt this story, but according to J.M. Barrie the Lost Boys do somehow get from this world to Neverland, and that there are fairies living in Kensington Gardens.  Not sure how this will work with OuaT saying that Earth is the Land Without Magic.  But, after rereading this part out of Peter Pan, I definitely do not think that Neal is Peter Pan, because Peter Pan ran away from home the day he was born.  He is cocky and innocent in a lot of ways...he even has his first laugh still.  Neal (Baelfire) doesn't have that kind of innocence, and he arrived there at 14, not the day he was born.  I think he might have just joined the Lost Boys.  Here are the quotes from Chp. 3:


      "I don't know," he replied uneasily, "but I am quite young." He really knew nothing about it, he had merely suspicions, but he said at a venture, "Wendy, I ran away the day I was born."

      .....

      "It was because I heard father and mother," he explained in a low voice, "talking about what I was to be when I became a man." He was extraordinarily agitated now. "I don't want ever to be a man," he said with passion. "I want always to be a little boy and to have fun. So I ran away to Kensington Gardens and lived a long long time among the fairies."

      .....

      The sound come from the chest of drawers, and Peter made a merry face. No one could ever look quite so merry as Peter, and the loveliest of gurgles was his laugh. He had his first laugh still.

      ......

      They were together in the armchair by this time, and Wendy plied him with more questions.

      "If you don't live in Kensington Gardens now -- "

      "Sometimes I do still."

      "But where do you live mostly now?"

      "With the lost boys."

      "Who are they?"

      "They are the children who fall out of their perambulators when the nurse is looking the other way. If they are not claimed in seven days they are sent far away to the Neverland to defray expenses. I'm captain."

      "What fun it must be!"

      "Yes," said cunning Peter, "but we are rather lonely. You see we have no female companionship."

      "Are none of the others girls?"

      "Oh, no; girls, you know, are much too clever to fall out of their prams."

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    • I bet Neal/Bea is a lot boy, [[1]] My guess is either Nibs or Curly (bae/ neal have curly hair). I dont want him to be peter pan, but him as a lost boy would be awesome!!

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    • My dad and I were really hoping that Bae was Peter Pan, but when he turned out to be Neal, we kind of gave up hope. But I would be triple the epicness if he were still possibly Peter Pan, but all the evidence points to negative.

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    • I agree with @Royalfortressmeadow, if it's all true, that would be TRIPLE the epicness, because both my dad and I believed he was Peter Pan from the start! OMG so excited!

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    • Its very interesting and maybe the way he got to this land was by Tinker bell (who i think is Tamara).

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    • Whether he was a Lost Boy, or Peter Pan...what I am curious at, is how did August know that Neal was Baelfire? And that got me thinking about August and Emma in the Orphanage. Now, whoever Bae was in Neverland, when he did come to the Land Without Magic he would be a homeless 14 year old boy, and so could end up in an Orphanage..and organize an escape, one which tempted a young August...who then figured out who the boy really was...

      There have been more incredible coincidences in the show...

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    • Can't wait to see how Tinkerbell plays into this!! If she doesn't then there will be problems...

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    • I still think Neal is Peter Pan. Not everything in UOaT goes according to the original fairy tales. Neal (Peter) could have stayed such a long time in Neverland until the other Lost Boys decided to leave and he was all alone, no one to play with. He then wanted to continue to the Land Without Magic so he could live a normal live. Remember everything takes place after the fairy tales, and we didn't know what happened to Peter after Wendy left.

      I also really hope we get to see a Tinkerbell episode in which we see her trying to become a Fairy Godmother, with the Blue Fairy as her tutor, but fails and ends up following Bea to Neverland (or she went to Neverland earlier because she did something wrong and couldn't face Blue Fairy)

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    • Agree with DarkingdomHearts about not everything going according to the original fairytale...they have also been playing around with parent sibling parallels like with Aurora being the daughter of the original Sleeping Beauty but also being a sleeping beauty in her own right and with Rumple being the one who cut off Hook's hand which Peter was supposed to do I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same thing with those two...attributing some parts of the story to one and other parts to another.

      As for the copyright...it's not so cut and dry that they can't use Peter Pan. Certain Peter Pan books are already public domain in the U.S. and Canada and I think the copyright that was given to the hospital is restricted to Britain. The actual play if I'm not mistaken is still under copyright. They could probably work it out somehow.

      Lost Boy or Peter Pan doesn't really matter imo...I think the important thing is that he knows Hook (at least that's the way it sounds according to the promo) so I'm wondering just how much he may know...MIlah's death perhaps?...if Hook was looking for information on some way to kill Rumple what better way to get it than to get his kid so angry at him that he spills his guts about the dagger. Don't think Bae would do that(if he had Hook probably wouldn't have went after Belle)  but it doesn't mean Hook may not have tried.

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    • The problem is, Neal has absolutely nothing in common with Peter. Not his origin, not his attitude, not his appearance... That's a BIG stretch for the writers, if they think people are gonna buy that. It just doesn't add up, at all.

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    • The current Neal also doesn't look anything like Bea, in personality. While Bea did have the personality of Peter. Neal is grown up now, when he was Peter (not saying he is) of course he would have been more playful and cocky. But it's hard for Peter to always stay happy with the thought he might never see his parents again.

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    • Then again Snow has a side to her that is nothing like the fairytale...I mean she is one tough little cookie at times.

      The comment when he went to the bar and told Emma she could keep yelling if she wanted to...imo I thought that hinted a little bit at his viewpoint of women which was kind of established in Tallahassee to be like Peter's.

      I also found him to be quite cocky when he was talking to Emma about her necklace..he was pretty confident that she wore it because she still cared...he really didn't seem to be rattled until she responded the way she did. He seemed cocky to me as well when he told Emma that he wouldn't do to Henry what his dad did to him and Emma said like you did to me and he said that he got it they were all messed up. Maybe it's just perception but whether he is Peter or not I do get a Pan like vibe from his personality and then in an instant he can shift to a softer version that is more like Bae. 

      Doesn't prove he is Peter of course...who knows he could have known Peter and been influenced by him.

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    • I'm not talking appearance looks wise... I'm talking appearance as in the way he carries himself. If you've read the original Peter Pan, you'd see A.) Peter was almost never unhappy... it was nearly impossible for him to be emotionally compromised by anything, particularly when he was home in Neverland.  Peter essentially could not feel 'adult' emotions, because he burried them so deeply within himself. And B.) He would never miss his parents because he didn't even remember them. He was so transfixed on himself and his adventures that he occasionally forgot even Wendy's brothers.

      I also can't see Peter leaving Neverland, voluntarily. It was his home, and he was the leader. Neverland meant so much to him, he gave up Wendy, who he very well could have fallen in love with and the opportunity for a new home with real parents. He was taken to Neverland as an infant, which also deosn't fit Bae's story, at all.

      It's asking a lot to believe that he went from Bae to Peter to Neal. It's much more believable that he was Bae, went to Neverland, became a Lost Boy (who's emotions and attitude could would be much more complex than Peter's) and came back as Neal. They've stretched stories before, but not so much that you completely lose the authenticity of the character itself and having Bae be Peter would lose Peter's characterization completely.

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    • I read an interesting theory that would be a real twist to those people who think for sure that Neal is Peter Pan/ Lost Boy. The theory goes that Neal's Fairytale counterpart would be the White Rabbit. It is possible because he could have met Captain Hook in Wonderland while he was there. This has possibly been alluded to because in the episode 2x1 Broken with Neal, there is a sign for a Hatter shops\

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    • where did my comment go?

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    • Lost Boy or Peter Pan doesn't really matter imo...I think the important thing is that he knows Hook (at least that's the way it sounds according to the promo) so I'm wondering just how much he may know...MIlah's death perhaps?...if Hook was looking for information on some way to kill Rumple what better way to get it than to get his kid so angry at him that he spills his guts about the dagger. Don't think Bae would do that(if he had Hook probably wouldn't have went after Belle)  but it doesn't mean Hook may not have tried.


      I can't picture Bae giving Hook information about the dagger willingly.  I can't even see how Hook would have ever learned he was Rumple's son.  But, I also can't imagine any other way yet that Hook could have gotten the idea that there was indeed a magical weapon that could kill Rumple except from Bae.  Then, once he had the idea there was such a weapon, he somehow came back to the Enchanted Forest and started asking around to find out who was close to Rumple.  Heard somehow of Belle...and we know the rest.  Just an idea.

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:
      I'm not talking appearance looks wise... I'm talking appearance as in the way he carries himself. If you've read the original Peter Pan, you'd see A.) Peter was almost never unhappy... it was nearly impossible for him to be emotionally compromised by anything, particularly when he was home in Neverland.  Peter essentially could not feel 'adult' emotions, because he burried them so deeply within himself. And B.) He would never miss his parents because he didn't even remember them. He was so transfixed on himself and his adventures that he occasionally forgot even Wendy's brothers.

      I also can't see Peter leaving Neverland, voluntarily. It was his home, and he was the leader. Neverland meant so much to him, he gave up Wendy, who he very well could have fallen in love with and the opportunity for a new home with real parents. He was taken to Neverland as an infant, which also deosn't fit Bae's story, at all.

      It's asking a lot to believe that he went from Bae to Peter to Neal. It's much more believable that he was Bae, went to Neverland, became a Lost Boy (who's emotions and attitude could would be much more complex than Peter's) and came back as Neal. They've stretched stories before, but not so much that you completely lose the authenticity of the character itself and having Bae be Peter would lose Peter's characterization completely.

      But then again, not everything goes according to the fairy tale, so in OUaT he did "run" away from his father but does remember him. And Bea when he was Peter could have burried his emotions very deep, but sometimes it's just time to move on, after staying 100 years (less or more) in Neverland and all the Lost Boys and Wendy already left there is nothing to do anymore.

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    • baelfire stealing the thing from hook and change his name to peterpan.

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    • -_- Just gonna let it go and see what happens. Read Peter Pan, people... seriously.

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    • I'm not saying Bea is Peter but it could just happen. I've read Peter Pan, but I also have read other fairy tales. In Hansel & Gretel their father left them on purpose, in Cinderella the Fairy Godmother was nice and honest unlike Rumple. In Snow White there never was an eight dwarf or a dwarf named Dreamy. Red Riding Hood wasn't the wolf. Prince Phillip's soul never was sucked out. Must I go on? My point is that anything can happen, most of the things also take place after the fairy tale so...

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    • Aside from Red (and that can be argued, with some versions of the story) you're talking about nuances (and I don't count Phillip, because the soul-sucking happened after he rescued Aurora, which was pretty much Phillip's purpose in any of the Sleeping Beauty stories)... not changing an -entire- characterization. Neal being Peter makes no sense, personality wise, not even chronologically (Peter was taken as an infant, after hearing his parents talk about how he was to become a man when he grew up). We're just supposed to assume a fourteen year old boy came to Neverland, knowing perfectly well who he was, took on an alias, took over the Lost Boys (who were just totally cool with some random guy becoming their leader), lived a 100+ years of adventuring and then suddenly decided he'd had enough and up and left, to live in the real world?

      Even if it wasn't by choice, it just doesn't work. Peter would jump at the chance to be fourteen again. Neal was disgusted by the idea. Peter Pan is an iconic character, and to just decide to entirely rewrite him, to be a brooding, moody, sad teenage boy who's only in Neverland to hide from his wacky dad negates his purpose. He's the boy who doesn't ever want to grow up. Youth and happiness - that's how he's describes. That is NOT Bae, by a long shot. The writers aren't typically single minded. If they change a character, it's for a distinct reason - not just to toss in another Fairytale. Neal being a Lost Boy is entirely understandable... even Neal just -being- in Neverland and having no association with the Lost Boys makes sense. Him being Peter is just bad writing.

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    • lol, because they didn't rewrite EVERYTHING about the Mad Hatter, for example? And they didn't rewrite EVERYTHING about Jiminy Cricket? and they didn't rewrite EVERYTHING about The Giant and Jack? and they didn't rewrite EVERYTHING about... :D

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    • When did we ever know their backstories? It's a completely different situation. You tell me Jiminy's original backstory and I'll concede your point. Tell me the Hatters' backstory. How about Jack?

      The difference is, Peter -has- a backstory, an entire BOOK full of one. It's very hard for me to believe they would just change everything about the character, without justifiable cause... simply because they couldn't think of another way to explain Bae's presence in Neverland.

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    • The mad hatter has some sort of character in the original story though. Granted, it's not a backstory, but a "characterization" nonetheless.

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    • That's what I'm saying though - They didn't change his backstory, because he doesn't really have one. Peter on the other hand has a very defined backstory and changing that changes the character.

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    • What about Wendy and John and Michael? How will that fill in with the storyline?

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    • lol do they need to appear? as the march hare and Alice did? or as Aladdin and Jaffar did? or as Jack's mother and cow did? or as... XD Do you see my point?

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    • Not particularly, no - and I'd be a lot more inclined to see your point if you weren't so obnoxious about it. Firstly, the Mad Hatter isn't the entire story - there very well may be more to Wonderland (including Alice) - and Aladdin and Jaffar have already been hinted at as eventual additions. Wendy, at the very least is rather crucial to Peter's development as a character.

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    • Remember guys, the producers said NO PETER PAN in Season Two! But they also said that neal with have a fiancee, which I'm hoping that the producers were high on something and didn't know what they were saying...

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    • 99.104.122.139 wrote:
      Remember guys, the producers said NO PETER PAN in Season Two! But they also said that neal with have a fiancee, which I'm hoping that the producers were high on something and didn't know what they were saying...

      Peter Pan will not be featured during Season 2. The producers were not high, when they said that Neal has a fiance.

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    • I think there is still reason for Bae a lost boy.

      He's Earth last name is Cassidy. Which means curly-haired.

      Not sure if the lost boys flew or not. wouldn't think Bae would have a lot of happy thoughts to fly though.

      He could of been in Neverland and taken to Earth with the rest of the curse and still remember who he was (like the mad hatter)

      His wanted poster also says: "Neal Cassidy has a scar on his left arm from a knife wound." a fight with Hook perhaps?

      Wendy, John and Micheal would have been in the early 1900's still time for him to have his adventures and leave. Peter could come and go to Earth as he pleased. So why not a lost boy.

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    • I also think that someone in Storybrooke knew of Bae's whereabouts other than August.

      Maybe the Blue Fairy? could she have proctected her former self from the curse and sent Bae the postcard.  She has both ties to August and Bae and could be the one giving them the information they needed back and forth. (like knowing Bae's name)

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    • I'm accepting that Bea would most likely be a Lost Boy, but they do need to make an episode where you see him interacting with Peter Pan and Captain Hook (doesn't have to be this season). I don't think Wendy will be featured, it isn't really nessecary. And I hope that someone like Tinkerbell sent him the postcard

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      [...] And I hope that someone like Tinkerbell sent him the postcard

      August sent the postcard.

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    • Royalfortressmeadow wrote:
      Well if he knew Hook, he is either Peter Pan or one of the Lost Boys. When Hook was climbing the beanstalk with Emma he mentioned he hung around a lot of children who felt abandoned. Maybe he was talking about how Baelfire looked when he saw him.

      I spent many years in Neverland, home of the lost boys. They all share the same look in their eyes... the look you get when you've been left alone.

      Hook to Emmasrc

       I don't think he hung around a lot. He just said that he spent many years in the same world they lived in. And, he wasn't talking about Baelfire. He said that they all share the same look in their eyes.
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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      [...] And I hope that someone like Tinkerbell sent him the postcard
      August sent the postcard.

      O yeah, that's true. Hope that Tink's going to appear in some way though

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      [...] And I hope that someone like Tinkerbell sent him the postcard
      August sent the postcard.

      Wasnt August already wood when the curse was broken. how could he send it if he couldnt move. The Blue Fairy helped both Bae and August before the curse (many many years apart). she's the link

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    • Umm... Not all of those "facts" are correct - and that's hardly proof. It's all speculation. Wendy never gives Peter a dream catcher... she gives him a thimble/kiss. Peter is portrayed anywhere between 11 and 15... and he's usually portrayed by a - girl-, to make him look younger. The Blue Fairy has never tried to get rid of Rumple - she tried to get rid of Regina, and King George... but she's never actually, physically gone after Rumple. Neal's personality in no way shape or form fits Peter's (and he never once said he was the best thing that ever happened to Emma... where on -earth- did you get that from?). What show are you watching, and what Peter Pan are you reading?? That's gotta be the wackiest "proof" I've seen, since the Whale = Oz theory.

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    • he's going to be peter pan. it's been forshadowed since tallahassee when emma jokes about neverland. also this show hasn't shyed away from reusing characters in other fairy tales. rumple is the beast and the croc,the queens mother is the queen of hearts,ruby is her own big bad wolf, so why can't bae be peter pan? he'd be so old if he came to earth immediately. he wasn't affected by the curse so he would age and be allowed to leave storybrooke.

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    • -_- Do you guys not realize that Neverland had -other- charcters, besides Peter Pan?

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    • The only argument against Bae being Peter that hold any water is that the producers supposedly said that there wouldn't be a Peter Pan. And if that information is true then the debate is over.

      As far as everyone trying to use extensive characterization from the books as their proof need to consider something. First writers like to twist the stories around for their own purposes. Examples: Red Riding Hood is the wolf. Jack the Giant Killer is an unscrupulous woman. Second these writers seem to favor the Disney movie version of tale as their starting point. Don't believe me? Then try this on for size if a nameless fairytale character is given a name in a Disney movie they use it. Examples: Seven dwarves (read the fairytale they aren't named.), Auroa, and Phillip. There is no Gaston character in the actual fairytale of Beauty and the Beast. In orginal Grimm's version of Snow White wasn't woken up by "true loves kiss." Oh no, the prince came across her  body lying in the glass and decided that she was so beautiful that he couldn't bear to be without her dead corpse. So he strapped her coffin to his horse and started dragging it away. The coffin was jostled so much that it over turned and when she fell out the apple dislodged from her throat. Snow White woke up and they lived happily ever after. Oh, and Snow White and Prince Charming were less than merciful to the Evil Queen. Snow and Charming had red hot iron shoes strapped to the Queen's feet and forced to dance until she drops dead. 

      I can see an appeal to making Bae, Peter Pan. He's already had dealing with fairies so Tinker Bell could be considered covered. Peter Pan cutting off Hook's hand and feeding it to the crocodile is an iconic moment. Making Bae Peter then Peter Pan would still be indirectly the reason Hook lost his hand as Rumple was after the magic bean to reach Bae. Of course the appeal of making Bae simply a lost boy is that the writers can make Peter Pan into a compulsive liar.




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    • I swear... I've posted this eighty-five times and it just doesn't seem to get through...

      http://www.wetpaint.com/once-upon-a-time/articles/once-upon-a-time-season-2-spoilers-peter-pan-is-not-coming-and-other-scoop

      Will we see Peter Pan this season? Kitsis: No.


      It's like people hear Neverland and forget that there are a hundred other possible characters for him to be - OR... here's a novel thought, he's not -anyone- from Neverland... he just happened to wind up there.

      But I beg to differ in that characterization isn't important. Yes... the writers change things - but rarely have they changed the characteristics of a MAIN character of a story so much that that character is no longer recognizable. In fact, I don't think they've ever changed someone so much that I didn't immediately know who the character was, upon reveal. Neal being Peter would essentially negate everything that makes Peter who he is, in essence, wasting the character, entirely. Yes... Rumple is also the Beast - but guess what... the Beast from the stories and Rumple happen to still have many, many things in common - including (But not limited to) their physical appearance being grotesquely altered, and their personality (arrogant, mindlessly self-serving). And the other characters that they changed were either so minor, or had such vague characterization in the first place that changing them doesn't ruin the recognition. I don't remember ever reading a story about Red Riding Hood where the character of Red was expounded upon... In changing her character, they made her more interesting. Changing Peter would not have the same effect. He was already interesting to begin with and make him Neal would dull his character, considerably.

      There is literally -nothing- Neal and Peter have in common, except for their connection to Neverland. And while you may think the writers don't care about that - I would suggest entirely the opposite. They -want- you to know who characters are, without having to explain it to death. They want the characters to be easily recognized, as soon as you hear their name. Otherwise, there's no point in adapting the story. I undestand this, because I myself am a writer... You want people to -grasp- your characters. If not, you've failed your readers, and more than that, you've failed the character - And crazy as it sounds, to writers (most writers) characters are much more complex than just something you've written. They have the ability to essentially take on a mind of their own, and you -want- to do them justice, because they become something that matters to you.

      That said, it's not even the theory that bothers me. It's the immediate assumption and then blatant disregard for anyone else's opinion on the matter that drives me batty about all of this - it's the "I know Bae is Peter Pan, cause Peter Pan is from Neverland!" foot-stomping, stubborn refusal to see any other posibility. Is it possible that Bae is Peter? Sure... Anything is possible - but you can't just take conjecture and present it as fact, on the terms of "Because I said so". There's no evidence, aside from a three second clip from a promo where Neverland is hinted at, and even then, all we know is that at some point, Bae spent some time there. Until the episode airs, nobody knows anything. If you have a theory, great... but until you can REALLY prove it - as in... you've seen the episode and it's been clearly decided - you should avoid definative statements.

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    • I won't be arguing with you Fractuared Fairytales. I tell you this because I'm not going to continue to discuss this stuff  :D, I just wanted to point out that I found it funny that you say that Bae spent some time there. I would rather call 300 years a little bit more than some time, because, if the only explanation for him not beeing a couple of hundred years old is that he went to Neverland, I think he spent at least 280 years in Neverland. Anyway, I'm not trying to proove that Bae is or isn't Peter Pan in this comment. I'm not trying to say that you're wrong or you are right.

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    • Killian Jones wrote: I won't be arguing with you Fractuared Fairytales. I tell you this because I'm not going to continue to discuss this stuff with you :D, I just wanted to point out that I found it funny that you say that Bae spent some time there. I would rather call 300 years a little bit more than some time, because, if the only explanation for him not beeing a couple of hundred years old is that he went to Neverland, I think he spent at least 280 years in Neverland. Anyway, I'm not trying to proove that Bae is or isn't Peter Pan in this comment. I'm not trying to say that you're wrong or you are right.

      Funny how Frac made a great statement about not assuming things, and included a link yet again to the creators saying we will NOT see Pan this season... and all you chose to reply on was the "some time" bit XD (which, by the way, is a loose term that could mean any span of time, but I digress) rather than present any evidence for your opinion that Nealfire is Peter.

      You seem to do that a lot, Killian :D

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    • XD I don't want to argue because I read that good statement, and I just pointed out that, sorry if you didn't like it.

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    • Killian Jones wrote: XD I don't want to argue because I read that good statement, and I just pointed out that, sorry if you didn't like it.

      Yeah, but that's not what you said lol.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:
      [...] rather than present any evidence for your opinion that Nealfire is Peter. [...]

      I alredy said that I didn't want to argue about that theory. I don't care if he is or isn't Peter Pan, we'll end up recieveing an answer inshow, so I think it's not worthy to provide evidence :D

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    • Killian Jones wrote:
      I won't be arguing with you Fractuared Fairytales. I tell you this because I'm not going to continue to discuss this stuff  :D, I just wanted to point out that I found it funny that you say that Bae spent some time there. I would rather call 300 years a little bit more than some time, because, if the only explanation for him not beeing a couple of hundred years old is that he went to Neverland, I think he spent at least 280 years in Neverland. Anyway, I'm not trying to proove that Bae is or isn't Peter Pan in this comment. I'm not trying to say that you're wrong or you are right.

      They need an eye rolling emoticon... Seriously ?? Clearly, I did not mean some time, as in fifiteen minutes - I'm well aware, as is anyone who's been following the show for longer than a day, that Bae would have been their for a considerable amount of time. I just didn't think it was necessary to clarify that, but if it makes you feel better...

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    • Lol Killian.

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    • Unicorn Rose wrote:
      I think he probably is just a Lost Boy...but still, what a fun plot twist.  As a book lover, I love it seeing all these stories come together.  I love all the different characters being brought in.

      I wonder how he first went to Neverland.  Since the Blue Fairy said she would send him to a Land Without Magic, my theory is that he came here to our world, but then fairies took him to Neverland, just like they also took other Lost Boys.

      I think Neal could be a lost boy ... OR ... I also thought that Neal could be a pirate for some time - before Hook became a captain of the ship. Thus He could have gone to a world without Magic first (our world or maybe Frankenstein world) and then went to Neverland and met Captain Hook ... I think he is a portal jumper ... much like Jefferson is ... 

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    • 58.178.34.8 wrote:
      Unicorn Rose wrote:
      I think he probably is just a Lost Boy...but still, what a fun plot twist.  As a book lover, I love it seeing all these stories come together.  I love all the different characters being brought in.

      I wonder how he first went to Neverland.  Since the Blue Fairy said she would send him to a Land Without Magic, my theory is that he came here to our world, but then fairies took him to Neverland, just like they also took other Lost Boys.

      I think Neal could be a lost boy ... OR ... I also thought that Neal could be a pirate for some time - before Hook became a captain of the ship. Thus He could have gone to a world without Magic first (our world or maybe Frankenstein world) and then went to Neverland and met Captain Hook ... I think he is a portal jumper ... much like Jefferson is ... 

      Frankenstein's world has Witchcraft; Magic.

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    • Might I point out that the original Peter Pan is not the only version of the story out there.  Disney does own a movie using Terry Brooks' retelling of the story called Hook that takes place several years after Peter maries Wendy's daughter  Hook steals their two children and Peter has to go back to Neverland and learn how to be brave and happy and childlike again.  

      With people complaining that Neal/Bae is nothing like Peter Pan my thought is Emma had to learn to trust and have faith and not be so hard hearted.  Well perhaps the writers thought to do the same with Neal. Cause seriously in the opening scene when we saw Neal for the first time in NYC anyone with eyes could tell that is not a happy man.

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    • Primarily - if OuaT uses any adaptation, it's the Disney original...

      But I believe Hook was TriStar pictures - which is a Columbia Pictures affiliation... Not Disney.

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    • Nicksessor wrote:
      You know in the canadian promo he did say he knew hook long time ago, a big story he said and it wasn't the first time he left home and if he did he would have been around 100. So maybe their is a possibility of that being true.


      Here is a theory:

      Maybe Baelfire is Peter Pan and he gathered the Lost Boys together, and when he and Hook became enemies, his hiding place was near the Mermaid Lagoon. There, after watching Hook's ship pass, a splash of water could be seen and Ariel will meet Baelfire, and in exchange for her protection, Baelfire could help her win Hook over, but when she sees that Hook doesn't love her, Ariel and Baelfire can recruit the Lost Boys, and maybe Princess Tigerlily and the Indians, and begin to lead war against Hook and his pirates. After the battle, Hook can sail away from the Lagoon, and a heart-broken Ariel can swim away from Neverland and go to Fairy Tale Land, where she can get the squid ink for the Blue Fairy and make a deal with the Evil Queen.

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    • 98.246.36.141 wrote:
      Nicksessor wrote:
      You know in the canadian promo he did say he knew hook long time ago, a big story he said and it wasn't the first time he left home and if he did he would have been around 100. So maybe their is a possibility of that being true.

      Here is a theory:

      Maybe Baelfire is Peter Pan and he gathered the Lost Boys together, and when he and Hook became enemies, his hiding place was near the Mermaid Lagoon. There, after watching Hook's ship pass, a splash of water could be seen and Ariel will meet Baelfire, and in exchange for her protection, Baelfire could help her win Hook over, but when she sees that Hook doesn't love her, Ariel and Baelfire can recruit the Lost Boys, and maybe Princess Tigerlily and the Indians, and begin to lead war against Hook and his pirates. After the battle, Hook can sail away from the Lagoon, and a heart-broken Ariel can swim away from Neverland and go to Fairy Tale Land, where she can get the squid ink for the Blue Fairy and make a deal with the Evil Queen. Then, without Ariel, the Mermaid Lagoon's magic could go out of control, causing Baelfire to age and send him through a portal to a New York City.


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    • I really don't think Bae could be Peter Pan, another main part of the story (not really main, but pretty big) is the fact that at the end, he grows up and marries Wendy's grandaughter. I know OUaT changes things, but they seem to stick to the overall objective of each story.

      As far as the Blue Fairy lying, my theory is (now that we know Bae's first stop wasn't our world) that Neverland didn't have magic when Bae got there. Like, the fairies are the source for magic, and they didn't inhabit Neverland yet. Idk, but I can't really see the BF lying about that. She did lie about the Curse, but it was to save everybody- if she hadn't lied, Geppetto wouldn't have made the cabinent, Emma wouldn't have gone through....... and OUaT wouldn't be a T.V show lol.

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    • Royalfortressmeadow wrote:
      Hmm... perhaps when Neal was 14 and in Neverland, he didn't want to grow up because he still had this hope that his Papa would come to him, but as the years passed and his recurring image of Rumple letting go of him, he grew bitter and realized he was abandoned. So he just moved on or something. If this is true, Rumple's offer to turn him back as a child would make sense that he got disgusted. Thoughts? :D

      That would do the character justice

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    • Maybe Neal is just a Lost Boy and that's how he knows Hook. Remember in Tallahassee Hook says that he spent time with the lost boys. 

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    • Dan the Crunchie wrote:
      Maybe Neal is just a Lost Boy and that's how he knows Hook. Remember in Tallahassee Hook says that he spent time with the lost boys. 

      Neal being a Lost Boy is more probable, than him being Peter Pan.

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    • Ummm Bae saw Hook when he was younger at the bar with his mother, so maybe that is where he knew Hook from. I don't know about you but I wouldn't forget the man who 'kidnapped' my mother.

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    • 72.241.162.105 wrote:
      Ummm Bae saw Hook when he was younger at the bar with his mother, so maybe that is where he knew Hook from. I don't know about you but I wouldn't forget the man who 'kidnapped' my mother.


      Rumple ended up telling Bae she was dead after she was kidnapped. I don't think he told him it was Hook though.

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    • 98.246.36.141 wrote:
      98.246.36.141 wrote:
      Nicksessor wrote:
      You know in the canadian promo he did say he knew hook long time ago, a big story he said and it wasn't the first time he left home and if he did he would have been around 100. So maybe their is a possibility of that being true.

      Here is a theory:

      Maybe Baelfire is Peter Pan and he gathered the Lost Boys together, and when he and Hook became enemies, his hiding place was near the Mermaid Lagoon. There, after watching Hook's ship pass, a splash of water could be seen and Ariel will meet Baelfire, and in exchange for her protection, Baelfire could help her win Hook over, but when she sees that Hook doesn't love her, Ariel and Baelfire can recruit the Lost Boys, and maybe Princess Tigerlily and the Indians, and begin to lead war against Hook and his pirates. After the battle, Hook can sail away from the Lagoon, and a heart-broken Ariel can swim away from Neverland and go to Fairy Tale Land, where she can get the squid ink for the Blue Fairy and make a deal with the Evil Queen. Then, without Ariel, the Mermaid Lagoon's magic could go out of control, causing Baelfire to age and send him through a portal to a New York City.


      Maybe Baelfire could have purposely left Neverland because he was in love with Ariel, but she didn't love him back.

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    • I think it's important to remember that not only are there different interpretations to the story, but there are a multitude of ways in which the story itself could be tweaked.  Just to reference to numerous assertions that Neal can't be Peter Pan, we have to remember that none of the fairy tales have been cut and dry.  Little Red is the big bad Wolf.  Prince Charming isn't a legitimate prince.  Jack from Jack in the Beanstalk was a grown woman with bad intentions.  Given these examples (and there are many), there are no significant pieces of evidence that prevent Neal from being Peter Pan as far as the show is concerned. It's important to remember that OuaT never gives us the story as we know it.  They take quite a few liberties with the way they present the characters and their back stories.  The way we remember them remains intact, but there are enough changes to keep it interesting.  That's the real beauty of the show.  In fact, I think given the nature of the show, there has been nothing but hints that he IS indeed Peter Pan.  He might not be Peter Pan in the long run, but there's defintely a large opportunity for him to actually be Peter Pan.  It could've been an alias of sorts, we all know his real name isn't Neal as does he.  It could've been his nickname... Rumplestilskin is only the crocodile because Hook calls him that.  So for everyone using the text to legitimize claims that it's impossible for Neal to be Peter Pan: In OuaT, nothing's impossible.  Who knew for a fact that Neal would be Baelfire?  Rumplestiltskin never even had a son in his story.

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    • What you people aren't listening to is that the creators themselves HAVE said... There will be NO Peter Pan THIS season. He is NOT showing up. If that's the case, Bae is NOT Peter Pan. Plain and simple... The end.

      http://www.wetpaint.com/once-upon-a-time/articles/once-upon-a-time-season-2-spoilers-peter-pan-is-not-coming-and-other-scoop

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    • 140.247.0.14 wrote:
      I think it's important to remember that not only are there different interpretations to the story, but there are a multitude of ways in which the story itself could be tweaked. Just to reference to numerous assertions that Neal can't be Peter Pan, we have to remember that none of the fairy tales have been cut and dry.

      Peter Pan is not a fairytale, in the traditional sense. It is a fantasy novel, and children's play, written by J.M. Barrie.... there is only one version of the story. That is not to say, that OUaT will not tweak it, in a future season.

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    • Peter Pan can be considered to be a fairytale, as many fairytale adaptions have been made of the story. The same goes for Alice in Wonderland, which also started as a novel. But I won't say Neal is Peter since he could also be a Lost Boy. Maybe we will see that in "Second Star to the Right" if he appears in his kid form in that episode than we certainly know he isn't Peter but a Lost Boy. Seeing Peter won't appear this season. But if Bea's kid form doesn't appear in that episode he might be Peter, but than we will have to wait till season 3 for that.

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    • Neal is not Peter Pan.... according  to Robert Carlyle, Peter Pan will be a new character.

      Robert said, that OUaT wants to cast a 12-13 year old boy as Peter Pan. Anyone who has seen the play knows, Peter is traditionally portrayed by a woman.

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    • So I probably think that Neal is a lost boy (not one of the original though, just Bealfire the lost boy. And that in the final episode Neal plans to visit Peter again while everyone is in Neverland

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      So I probably think that Neal is a lost boy (not one of the original though, just Bealfire the lost boy. And that in the final episode Neal plans to visit Peter again while everyone is in Neverland

      Post-apocalyptic Neverland.... sounds great *rolls eyes* 

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    • - fact 1: Bealfire left to a "land without magic" because he hated the way his father had changed and wanted his father to join him so that things could go back as they used to be.

      - fact 2: Bealfire left the magical world at the age off 14. As his father did turn in to the dark one to make a end to the war, and with this saving his son who was forced to join the army a few days before his 14th birthday.

      - fact 3: In order to be able to go to the same place Baelfire went, Rumplestiltskin created the Dark Curse .

      - fact 4: According to his wanted poster, he was born March 23, 1977 in New Jersey. This means in 2001 he would have been 24 when he met Emma, who was 17 at the time.

      - fact 5: Neal did ask August to send a postcard as soon as there is a place in Emma's live for him again.

      - fact 6: August was turned to wood completely before the curse was broken, how ever after Emma breaks the dark curse and magic arrives in Storybrooke, August is still laying in his bed at Granny's Bed and Breakfast, and he blinks. When Marco finds out about August being his son, he visits him in Granny's B&B, but finds the bed empty

      - fact 7: Neal doesn't want to move (back) to the 'magical world'/storybrooke as he has been trying to run away from it.

      - fact 8: Peter Pan will be played by  a 12 or 13-year-old. (Or at least that is the current plan)

      - fact 9: Neal haven't been hit by the curse, because while the curse was still working, he could remember who he was in the magical world.

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      suggestion:

      - with fact 5 and 6, I still believe August is the one that did send the postcard. Keep in mind that Pinoccio a wooden doll turned in to a living doll. That he turned back in to wood, doesn't mean he doens't live.

      - As it is clear that Peter Pan will be youger than Bealfire, they can't be the same person. Special as we have already seen the young Bealfire.

      - For some reason after Bealfire moved to LWM, he choose to run away again, and leaving to a other world. How this happened is still the big question, but as both Hook and Hatter can travel to different lands, there must have been a way for Bealfire to move from lands too. Also keep in mind with this, that Frankenstein isn't orginal from the magical lands either.

      - It seems logical that Neal went to Neverland as he didn't grown older for a long time. How ever if you take a closer look, how many fairytale chars have you seen growing older? Hans and Gretel never turned a day older before the cure did hit them. Regina is still looking the same as the day she found little Snow.

      - But oke, lets say Neal went to Neverland, as it is the easiest way to think. The reason could be simple "in the hope that his father would still found a way to hold up the deal he had made with him". Than we come back that he might be a lost boy... or also possible one of Hooks crew. But who knows who els lives in Neverland, next to the mermaids, fairies and indians.

      - As the writers of OUAT loves to play with jobs and names to show you who someone's fairytale char is, I simply ask this...

      How many famous 'thiefs' do you know in the folktales?


      (Yes I say folk tales and not fairytales, as OUAT doesn't only use the fairytales, but also myths, legends and any other kind of story see for excample Frankenstein and Mulan)

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    • 173.2.191.183 wrote:
      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      So I probably think that Neal is a lost boy (not one of the original though, just Bealfire the lost boy. And that in the final episode Neal plans to visit Peter again while everyone is in Neverland
      Post-apocalyptic Neverland.... sounds great *rolls eyes* 

      What do you mean with post-apocalyptic Neverland. Neverland was never hit by the curse, so it should be the same as is was before the curse.

      And to that other guy, about the ages. Hansel and Gretel didn't age because the time was still in Storybrooke, they started to change again after the curse was broken. In Regina's case, as a writer I also wouldn't cast anyone slightly younger and indentical to Regina, they just tried to make her younger (which they did as best as they could). In Neal's case it's a whole different story since he would've been over a 100 years old by now.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      [...] Neverland was never hit by the curse, so it should be the same as is was before the curse. [...]


      Wow, are you really sure? I don't recall that fact beeing confirmed either inshow or by anyone with authority enough to confirm that sort of things (writers, etc.). Please, correct me if I'm mistaken :)


      94.211.236.219 wrote:
      [...] - fact 8: Peter Pan will be played by a 12 or 13-year-old. (Or at least that is the current plan). [...]
      [...] - As it is clear that Peter Pan will be youger than Bealfire. [...]


      Same for you XD What do you know about the current plan? If there's an actual reference to that "fact", post it here please :D

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    • Killian Jones wrote:----


      94.211.236.219 wrote:
      [...] - fact 8: Peter Pan will be played by a 12 or 13-year-old. (Or at least that is the current plan). [...]
      [...] - As it is clear that Peter Pan will be youger than Bealfire. [...]


      Same for you XD What do you know about the current plan? If there's an actual reference to that "fact", post it here please :D

      according Here ya go :).

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    • Ok I didn't read every comment because that would take forever but Fractured, don't get mad at me I'm just asking a question, is it possible that the creators change up a few facts about Peter so that he arrives in Neverland at 14 and become the leader of the lost boys. They don't age there so he could have spent years becoming the leader of the group. And in the original Peter Pan he's child like and wants to stay young, etc. but we don't see what happens after the book ends. In the show anything could have happened to make Neil/Peter want to not be a child anymore. That would be why he left Neverland and doesn't want to be young again. Just saying.

      Personally, I hope he's not Peter because that's too many identities for one person. Plus I feel like OUaT is focusing less on introducing famous fairytale characters and focusing more on the characters we have now. Because last season we had all the SnowWhite characters, Belle, Rumple, Cinderella, Mad Hatter, etc. and this season there's less. 

      Also, do we know that August sent that letter to Neal in the first episode? Because I like to think it was Tinkerbell lol. In those new Tinkerbell movies they control animals and a pigeon brought the letter and I believe a similar looking bird is actually in the Tink movie. I doubt it though, but how would August send a bird to him? There's no magic but Tinkerbell could do it haha XD

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    • 72.225.56.169 wrote:
      Ok I didn't read every comment because that would take forever but Fractured, don't get mad at me I'm just asking a question, is it possible that the creators change up a few facts about Peter so that he arrives in Neverland at 14 and become the leader of the lost boys. They don't age there so he could have spent years becoming the leader of the group. And in the original Peter Pan he's child like and wants to stay young, etc. but we don't see what happens after the book ends. In the show anything could have happened to make Neil/Peter want to not be a child anymore. That would be why he left Neverland and doesn't want to be young again. Just saying.

      Personally, I hope he's not Peter because that's too many identities for one person. Plus I feel like OUaT is focusing less on introducing famous fairytale characters and focusing more on the characters we have now. Because last season we had all the SnowWhite characters, Belle, Rumple, Cinderella, Mad Hatter, etc. and this season there's less. 

      Also, do we know that August sent that letter to Neal in the first episode? Because I like to think it was Tinkerbell lol. In those new Tinkerbell movies they control animals and a pigeon brought the letter and I believe a similar looking bird is actually in the Tink movie. I doubt it though, but how would August send a bird to him? There's no magic but Tinkerbell could do it haha XD

      XD No worries! I don't get mad at people for disagreeing with me :-) that would be silly and pointless.

      My issue with Neal being Peter isn't  -just- with the characterization. My issue is that the writers and several of the actors have confirmed that Peter won't be seen this season. I don't think they're being clever and saying Neal is still Peter, but he's not "seen" as Peter because it hasn't been verified... I really think they mean, no Peter in season 2.

      Also, I'm pretty sure that is was August, because he was the only one who knew Bae's identity and location.

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:
      72.225.56.169 wrote:
      Ok I didn't read every comment because that would take forever but Fractured, don't get mad at me I'm just asking a question, is it possible that the creators change up a few facts about Peter so that he arrives in Neverland at 14 and become the leader of the lost boys. They don't age there so he could have spent years becoming the leader of the group. And in the original Peter Pan he's child like and wants to stay young, etc. but we don't see what happens after the book ends. In the show anything could have happened to make Neil/Peter want to not be a child anymore. That would be why he left Neverland and doesn't want to be young again. Just saying.

      Personally, I hope he's not Peter because that's too many identities for one person. Plus I feel like OUaT is focusing less on introducing famous fairytale characters and focusing more on the characters we have now. Because last season we had all the SnowWhite characters, Belle, Rumple, Cinderella, Mad Hatter, etc. and this season there's less. 

      Also, do we know that August sent that letter to Neal in the first episode? Because I like to think it was Tinkerbell lol. In those new Tinkerbell movies they control animals and a pigeon brought the letter and I believe a similar looking bird is actually in the Tink movie. I doubt it though, but how would August send a bird to him? There's no magic but Tinkerbell could do it haha XD

      XD No worries! I don't get mad at people for disagreeing with me :-) that would be silly and pointless.

      My issue with Neal being Peter isn't  -just- with the characterization. My issue is that the writers and several of the actors have confirmed that Peter won't be seen this season. I don't think they're being clever and saying Neal is still Peter, but he's not "seen" as Peter because it hasn't been verified... I really think they mean, no Peter in season 2.

      Also, I'm pretty sure that is was August, because he was the only one who knew Bae's identity and location.

      Haha I agree I don't think they would or should make a popular character different personality wise from the original. I do like to see less popular characters like Jack be changed up though :P

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    • Do not forget that Neal has a scar from a "knife" on the same arm that Peter was cut by Hook's hook hand.

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    • Fractuared Fairytales wrote:
      Aside from Red (and that can be argued, with some versions of the story) you're talking about nuances (and I don't count Phillip, because the soul-sucking happened after he rescued Aurora, which was pretty much Phillip's purpose in any of the Sleeping Beauty stories)... not changing an -entire- characterization. Neal being Peter makes no sense, personality wise, not even chronologically (Peter was taken as an infant, after hearing his parents talk about how he was to become a man when he grew up). We're just supposed to assume a fourteen year old boy came to Neverland, knowing perfectly well who he was, took on an alias, took over the Lost Boys (who were just totally cool with some random guy becoming their leader), lived a 100+ years of adventuring and then suddenly decided he'd had enough and up and left, to live in the real world?

      Even if it wasn't by choice, it just doesn't work. Peter would jump at the chance to be fourteen again. Neal was disgusted by the idea. Peter Pan is an iconic character, and to just decide to entirely rewrite him, to be a brooding, moody, sad teenage boy who's only in Neverland to hide from his wacky dad negates his purpose. He's the boy who doesn't ever want to grow up. Youth and happiness - that's how he's describes. That is NOT Bae, by a long shot. The writers aren't typically single minded. If they change a character, it's for a distinct reason - not just to toss in another Fairytale. Neal being a Lost Boy is entirely understandable... even Neal just -being- in Neverland and having no association with the Lost Boys makes sense. Him being Peter is just bad writing.

      I agree with Fractuared Fairytales. But I feel Peter is also much more complex than anyone realises, he may not even be a boy. The clues are in the original book themselves:


      1) He was said to guide the souls of dead children, as said by Mary Darling once (no normal boy could actually do this)


      2) The weather changes on Peter's presence or lack of in Neverland (again, no normal boy could actually do this)


      3) Peter is actually more bloodthirsty in the original book, gladly wading through pirate blood (yes, even though it is a children's book, in real life the pirates would bleed)


      4) The animals, fairies and even the Lost Boys are afraid of Peter, hence why they partly leave Neverland, to be rid of him


      5) When he says, "I am youth, I am joy..." J.M. Barrie himself states that Peter is talking utter nonsence as he even doesn't know what he is


      6) J.M. Barrie states that "whenever a Lost Boy found himself growing up, Peter would 'thim them out'", which could either mean he killed them (which is highly unlikely) or he banished them from Neverland, which seems plausible. 


      It would take OUaT people a lot of time and effort to try get Bae/Neal to be Peter Pan (I don't believe he is a normal boy), and also there are copyrights on Peter Pan so it seems more likely Bae/Neal was a Lost Boy, to me anyway

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    • Thedaydreamer wrote:

      But I feel Peter is also much more complex than anyone realises, he may not even be a boy. The clues are in the original book themselves:

      Peter Pan is an incredibly complex character, and story. However, according to Robert Carlyle; OUaT is looking to cast a 13 year old boy, in the role. This, in and of itself, is a very ambitious undertaking. The character, of Peter Pan, has yet to be successfull adapted in live-action with a young boy. 

      Though, your theory (which I deleted in my reply, due to length) makes it sound like Hook may in fact be OUaT's Peter Pan.

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    • Oh, sorry, wasn't my intention - was just saying how complex Peter really is. It's more likely Neal was passing through Neverland maybe

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    • Really where does it show in OUAT?

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    • No, I'm sorry - I'm just saying he could have just passed through instead of Peter or a Lost Boy

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    • Without reading the long list of lenthy replies I will say this...

      I would like to say it's possible for Bael to be Pan, BUT didn't we read that they will cast a new boy to portray Peter Pan?  If Bael was Pan wouldn't the boy that played young Baelfire also play Pan?  I would definitely agree that Baelfire has been to Neverland, and obvioulsy knows Hook, but we don't know it what way. 

      It's possible he was a lost boy, or even a young pirate.  He says he has been running from his dad so I am more curious to find out his reason for leaving Neverland.  Also, he says that the real world was not his first stop so if the blue fairy was sending him to a land without magic, how did he end up in Neverland FIRST. 

      Hmm maybe instead of sending Bael to a land without any magic she was sending him to a place where Rumple's magic doesn't work.  Maybe Rumple is powerless in Neverland....

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    • 24.248.195.231 wrote:
      I read in another thread that they can't use Peter Pan because of copyright or something... it's not public domain... I'm not sure. I'm not on Disney's legal team. I agree with ^ above post: he's probably a Lost Boy. I think it would be too crazy if he was Rumple's son (Baelfire), Henry's dad, Emma's lover, AND Peter Pan. I mean Rumple has a couple of "identities" as the Beast and the Crocodile. I think Neal/Bae's character would be too overloaded if he was Peter Pan as well.

      Also, I'm kinda creeped out by the idea that Emma has hooked up with a 300+ year old dude. Yeah, he doesn't look it, but that's the same kind of thing we make fun of Twilight for. (Although Baelfire is human at least)

      Plus, there's been a couple of subtle references that he was connected to Never Never Land. He or Emma made made conversational mention of it in Tallahassee (I forget exactly what he or she said); Hook has mentioned the look on the Lost Boys' faces because they were abandoned like Emma (and now we find out Neal was one of those boys, supposedly); and Neal mentioned to Rumple in Manhattan how he had seen his father's face in his dreams "for more years than you can know" or something like that.

      It could also explain how Hook knew about the dagger in FTL flashback in "Queen of Hearts." If Bae was in Never Never Land, he could have let it slip somehow.


      I very much doubt that there is any legal reason they couldn't use Peter Pan.  Disney owns ABC/Once Upon a Time, they have already had Captain Hook on the show, and they even did that Peter Pan II: Return to Neverland sequel a few years back.  Plus all those creepy stories about Tinkerbell and the other pixies..... Pixie Hollow, I think they call it...?

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    • 24.248.195.231 wrote:
      I read in another thread that they can't use Peter Pan because of copyright or something... it's not public domain... I'm not sure. I'm not on Disney's legal team. I agree with ^ above post: he's probably a Lost Boy. I think it would be too crazy if he was Rumple's son (Baelfire), Henry's dad, Emma's lover, AND Peter Pan. I mean Rumple has a couple of "identities" as the Beast and the Crocodile. I think Neal/Bae's character would be too overloaded if he was Peter Pan as well.

      Also, I'm kinda creeped out by the idea that Emma has hooked up with a 300+ year old dude. Yeah, he doesn't look it, but that's the same kind of thing we make fun of Twilight for. (Although Baelfire is human at least)

      Plus, there's been a couple of subtle references that he was connected to Never Never Land. He or Emma made made conversational mention of it in Tallahassee (I forget exactly what he or she said); Hook has mentioned the look on the Lost Boys' faces because they were abandoned like Emma (and now we find out Neal was one of those boys, supposedly); and Neal mentioned to Rumple in Manhattan how he had seen his father's face in his dreams "for more years than you can know" or something like that.

      It could also explain how Hook knew about the dagger in FTL flashback in "Queen of Hearts." If Bae was in Never Never Land, he could have let it slip somehow.

      If there was a problem with copywrite then they would not be able to use ANY of the characters, so I don't see how using Peter Pan would be a problem  when they've used almost everyone else. 

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    • If there was a problem with copywrite then they would not be able to use ANY of the characters, so I don't see how using Peter Pan would be a problem  when they've used almost everyone else. 

      Not true. The majority of the characters on the show are in the free domain, but the characters from Peter Pan are not. That copyright is owned by a hospital in London, and Disney does indeed need to seek permission to use them. They got it for their animated movies, and even for Kingdom Hearts. That being said, however, I doubt they'd have trouble getting permission if they wanted it, but they probably don't want it, given the statement that we wouldn't be seeing Pan this season. (Unless they changed their minds. But if Nealfire is Pan, I don't think that would count if we never see him as a teen.)

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      If there was a problem with copywrite then they would not be able to use ANY of the characters, so I don't see how using Peter Pan would be a problem  when they've used almost everyone else. 

      Not true. The majority of the characters on the show are in the free domain, but the characters from Peter Pan are not. That copyright is owned by a hospital in London, and Disney does indeed need to seek permission to use them. They got it for their animated movies, and even for Kingdom Hearts. That being said, however, I doubt they'd have trouble getting permission if they wanted it, but they probably don't want it, given the statement that we wouldn't be seeing Pan this season. (Unless they changed their minds. But if Nealfire is Pan, I don't think that would count if we never see him as a teen.)

      Then how are Captain Hook and Mr. Smee appearing in the series? They refer Captain Hook, simply as Hook but Mr. Smee is definitally a Peter Pan character. And they also used the crocodile indirectly.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote: Then how are Captain Hook and Mr. Smee appearing in the series? They refer Captain Hook, simply as Hook but Mr. Smee is definitally a Peter Pan character. And they also used the crocodile indirectly.

      Perhaps I wasn't clear; I was talking about Peter Pan, the character, specifically, not the story/characters in general. The hospital in question is more guarded about the use of Pan himself.

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    • Utter solitude wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote: Then how are Captain Hook and Mr. Smee appearing in the series? They refer Captain Hook, simply as Hook but Mr. Smee is definitally a Peter Pan character. And they also used the crocodile indirectly.

      Perhaps I wasn't clear; I was talking about Peter Pan, the character, specifically, not the story/characters in general. The hospital in question is more guarded about the use of Pan himself.

      Though I do think Peter Pan will appear. They also got him in 4 Kingdom Hearts games and the upcoming Disney INFINITY so I don't think they aren't going to get rights to put him in UOaT, I just think they want to let us suffer some more.

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    • That was kinda my point; I don't see why they'd have any issue using Pan if they wanted to.

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    • I called this weeks/months ago. It seemed perfectly logical. Then when I saw that upcoming episodes were the directions to Neverland, confirmed every thought. Can't wait to see it all unfold, love this show!

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    • Royalfortressmeadow wrote:
      It's pretty much confirmed that Baelfire/Neal is Peter Pan. In the "The Queen is Dead" Canadian promo, Neal told Emma that he knew Hook and that Earth wasn't his first stop because if he was he would've been a hundred or so years old by now, a hint that it was Neverland that he went to.

      As much as I agree, according to some interview I read somewhere, Peter isn't supposed to appear until Season 3...which would be difficult to explain Hook's backstory in Neverland if Neal really WAS Pan. Unless this was just said to throw us off.

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    • I think the key thing I haven't seen from anyone is that Baelfire's mother Milah went with Hook. I bet we discover Bae/Peter discovering in Neverland that his mother didn't die but left his father to be with Hook and maybe even that his father ended up killing her (remember the tattoo on hooks arm?). While they may not have Peter Pan in the 2nd season they may still reveal more about Bae being Peter. 

      I think one reason some people are doubting it so much is because they are so stuck to the stories they already know. Almost every storyline in OUaT is loosely based on the original stories and what makes the show so amazing is how they re-explain it all, sometimes not even being close to the original. Rumple being the croc...Jack actually being Jaqueline, a lover to Prince James...Little Red Riding Hood is a were-wolf...dwarves born from eggs and stealthy the dwarf.

      As for the whole copyright thing; http://www.gosh.org/gen/peterpan/copyright/publishing

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    • 76.182.22.152 wrote: I think the key thing I haven't seen from anyone is that Baelfire's mother Milah went with Hook. I bet we discover Bae/Peter discovering in Neverland that his mother didn't die but left his father to be with Hook and maybe even that his father ended up killing her (remember the tattoo on hooks arm?). While they may not have Peter Pan in the 2nd season they may still reveal more about Bae being Peter.  

      You need to watch "The Crocodile"... all of that has been explained.

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    • Okay, just want  to point some stuff out.  I've now read the entire page and decided to do some validity checking for some arguments as to why or why not he is Peter.

      First - The argument that he can't be Peter based on his personality.  On that standard, Killian couldn't be Hook.  In the old stories, Hook was heartless, ruthless, had absolutely no room for love, and hated children.  This Hook has been seen to have a quite obvious soft side, fell in love with Milah (and possibly Emma (not sure yet)), and in his "beanstalk comment" to Emma, he showed a hint of compassion for abandoned children.  So if personality is your basis, you have nothing.

      Second - The "Copyright stuff means no Peter Pan thing"/"Producers said no second-season Peter Pan".  Umm, they got around copyright for Hook and Smee... And the second-season is almost over.  Neal could absolutely turn out to be Pan in the third season.  If I was one of the producers and someone asked me about Pan, I would give an answer like "not in the second season" too.  Letting people know that there was a Pan would make it way too obvious as to who it was.

      Now here's my thought's on the subject at hand.  I understand that they could be wrong, just my thoughts. 

      Blue Fairy talking about LWM - It's possible that as a fairy she would know where Neal would eventually end up.  It's possible that she was simply speaking of the endgame, without mentioning the in-between years and the Neverland of it all.

      Pan, Pirate, or Poor little Lost Boy - I personally think that it is more likely that Neal was a Lost Boy and that the way the episode was scripted with the whole "Hey! Guess What! Neal was in neverland for a long time" thing was to ruse us into thinking he's Peter Pan, in order for the real twist to be a fan-based mind trick

      I also think it's possible for Neal to actually have a friendlier connection to Hook.  Based on Hook's compassionate subtext, I think he was actually quite fond of the boys.  Plus, Neal and Hook both have a very strong dislike of Rumple and a strong love for Milah.

      Oh! That reminds me, there was a comment about something like "How would Hook have recognized Neal (as Pan of LB) as being Rumple's son in the first place.  The first time Rumple and Hook meet, Rumple is trying to get Milah to come home from the bar where she and Hook are hangin' and Bae comes in.  It is then made obvious through conversation that he is Milah and Rumple's son, which Hook would've noticed. Which is also another reason that Hook and Neal may have been friendly.  Hook would've seen him as the son of the love of his life, as the only thing left of Milah.  He may have even been a sort-of makeshift father figure to Bae.

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    • does anyone remember Peter? Peter was Reds boyfriend the one she ate. maybe before he was eaten he lived in Neverland and was Peter Pan?

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    • >_> I think the idea was more Peter and the Wolf, than Peter Pan.

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    • It was pretty evident that Neal was Peter Pan UNTIL...I just saw the promo for the two part season finale, starting with "Second star to the right". They are obviously going to reveal his connection to Neverland, but if you watch the promo carefully, Wendy seems to be explaining to Baelfire that she's going to Neverland which is different than the world he came from, while being whisked away by Peter Pan. This throws my assumption back into doubt, sadly, that Baelfire is indeed Peter Pan.

      Like I said, I don't doubt he lived in Neverland because he hasn't aged more than 30 years, but he may be more of a lost boy now. I was really hoping he would be Peter Pan and I may be mistaken (I hope so!) but the promo casts serious doubt about the whole thing now.

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    • Spy wrote:  Cause seriously in the opening scene when we saw Neal for the first time in NYC anyone with eyes could tell that is not a happy man.


      Slightly off topic but either he was/is really unhappy with Tamara, had had a really bad day or the writers hadn't written her in yet cos shouldn't he have been with her for at least a few months at this point??  If they got together the day August left NYC for SB, that must have been at least 6 months(?) before the curse hit? Short honeymoon period lol!! . . . and to be engaged soon after! Doesn't quite fit!   (Plus did anyone notice his apartment grew in the months inbetween?? . . .maybe I just pay too much attention to minor details ha ha!)

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    • 124.180.215.99 wrote:
      does anyone remember Peter? Peter was Reds boyfriend the one she ate. maybe before he was eaten he lived in Neverland and was Peter Pan?


      That wouldn't work because Peter and Red are childhood friends. Peter has a family in the village too.

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    • Also guys, I would keep in mind that Bae detests magic. He went to Earth to escape magic. So him going to Neverland is probably going to cause him a lot of internal conflict, because Neverland is a place with magic. For that reason I don't think he could be Peter Pan, since Peter Pan uses magic freely and joyfully (to fly and stuff). Bae will probably do his best trying NOT to use magic if he even goes to Neverland.

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    • And I have a feeling that Wendy takes him along to Neverland, so I don't think he is Peter Pan.

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    • From what I picked up from the canadian promo, Bae is not Peter Pan (whose legs and arm can be seen in the shot I think when leading Wendy out of the window) which to me is great as I want Peter P as a seperate character to Bae/Neal.

      Which got me thinking... what if Bae is "adopted" by the Darlings or at least visits them alot, and begins to have feelings for Wendy (who looks on Bae as a brother). Bae tells Wendy tales about the Enchanted Forest and how terrible magic is. Wendy also meets Peter (who has been watching her) and is enraptured by his tales of Neverland, adventure and magic, after hearing about how bad it is from Bae, being shown in a different light and so she and her brothers want to go with Peter  because his land is different to Baes. Reluctantly Bae rather than be left alone joins them. Peter isn't nearly so nice as he is in the books or films and is far more of a rough bully-ish show off type and a "leader of a sinister group" of boys which fascinates Wendy and makes Bae dislike Peter more and more. Peter is mean and unpleasant to Bae because of his reluctance to use magic, this causes Bae to run off and encounter Hook, who also has a strong dislike for Peter. Bae joins Hooks crew as Starkey (the pirate with impeccable manners) and remains in Neverland even when Wendy and her brothers return back to london. 

      What do you guys think??

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    • I love being right >_>

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    • i think that Neal is a lost boy

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    • Gothic Lily wrote: It's been confirmed that Baelfire is Peter Pan : http://www.etonline.com/tv/133511_Once_Upon_A_Time_Exclusive_Finale_Featurette/index.html

      Actually, all it confirms is that the writer of that article thinks he is...

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    • Yup. The creators said nothing about Pan. There's a short scene of him talking to Wendy, sure, but that doesn't make him Peter. The article itself even says "may". "Fans may".

      Might wanna watch the extended sneak peek ;)

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      And I have a feeling that Wendy takes him along to Neverland, so I don't think he is Peter Pan.


      Yeah. When Wendy is flying out the window she says something about going to Neverland...which means she's *already been to Neverland* before, with Peter. Not Neal/Bae.

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    • Oops. Didn't catch that "may" lol. I found it on the Facebook page for Once Upon A Time. I hoped he wouldn't be Peter Pan anyway. 

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      • spoilers*

      This theory is officially disproved--see here http://tvline.com/2013/04/07/sarah-chalke-interview-video-how-to-live-with-your-parents-greys-anatomy/ Neal is confirmed as not being Peter Pan.

      Also, thanks to the promo at the end of 2X20 for 2X21, we see Bae and Peter's shadow in the same shot, so I think it's pretty obvious what's what.

      Lost boy? Almost certainly; there's a promo pic for 2X21 with (little) Bae talking to Hook, while Hook is showing him how to steer the Jolly Roger.

      If you ask me, the theory that Hook is Peter Pan makes much more sense (for an indepth analysis of this point, see here --> http://onceuponamirror.tumblr.com/post/47424823578/peter-pan-killian-jones-the-masterpost)

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    • 71.33.8.97 wrote: 

      Lost boy? Almost certainly; there's a promo pic for 2X21 with (little) Bae talking to Hook, while Hook is showing him how to steer the Jolly Roger.

      Praytell, where IS this promo?

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    • I believe this is the image you are mentioning right? So exciting!! It appears that Bae may be a Pirate instead!!

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    • Luckily Bea isn't Peter Pan. I would like Peter better as a character himself. Also I saw in the article that Ariel indeed might be one of the mermaids living in Neverland. Look at the red box on the right page.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Luckily Bea isn't Peter Pan. I would like Peter better as a character himself. Also I saw in the article that Ariel indeed might be one of the mermaids living in Neverland. Look at the red box on the right page.

      I know, was so excited when I read that!! I hope we catch at least a glimpse of her, and yes I am also pleased Peter is his own character, I would've accepted him being Bae/Neal but I would rather him be a character in his own right.

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    • What I think is Peter pan is a title.Felix the 1st or 2nd Peter took wendey and bae into neverland. Peter dies from a injury from hook.He tells bae that he must replace him.He was supposed to guard a box full of beans.He eventually gets bored and leaves with a bean.The new one dies and hook gets a magic bean.

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    • The synponsis of the next episode has pretty miuch confirmed who Bae/Neal really is.

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    • 121.220.137.72 wrote:
      The synponsis of the next episode has pretty miuch confirmed who Bae/Neal really is.

      The press release only states that he has a connection with the Darling family.

      We know:


      Bae is not Peter Pan.

      Appears to have a connection with Hook.

      Neverland isn't Neverland in the traditional sense.


      What I'm speculating is:

      Peter Pan exists, but not in a good way.

      Something very bad happens to Wendy.

      Hook is more neutral than evil.

      Bae aligns with Hook.

      The Wendy situation may be somehow setting the stage for the whole Greg/Tamara thing.

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      • Shivers* No I don't think that Bae is Peter Pan, since Peter's Shadow appeared in this episode. o_0 Boy, did that thing ever scare me. I so wasn't expecting Peter's Shadow to be so dark...so evil...
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    • Yeah, Peter's shadow being so evil was an amazing twist, it creeped the hell out of me. An evil Peter Pan and sorrowful Neverland would be quite amazing.

      I also agree with Varc, and I'd further speculate that John might have started the crusade against magic. Michael seemed too little to truly comprehend what was going on, Wendy was visibly heartbroken that Bae sacrificed himself, while John looked... very, very frightened, almost traumatised in the moment we see him in the hideout. Wendy might have insisted with her parents and other adults that the Shadow abducted Bae... and I guess we all know how unpleasent insane asylums were during the Edwardian Age. Thus prompting John to start the anti-magic business.

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    • Well if Bae is Peter Pan, and I suspect he is, it would explain Hook's desire to have him killed. Because he's the one the "Crocodile" is looking for and killing him would hurt Rumple.

      If Peter Pan is a separate entity, he's probably a lost boy who just stands out from the others for some reason. My guess is he's the first lost boy. But then you need a reason for Hook to hate Peter.

      One thing I noted though is if Bae ended up in London first, as the episode suggests, then when he tells Emma that Earth/ this world wasn't the first one he visited, that would be a lie. As London is definitely our world.

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    • 24.1.90.42 wrote: Well if Bae is Peter Pan, and I suspect he is, it would explain Hook's desire to have him killed. Because he's the one the "Crocodile" is looking for and killing him would hurt Rumple.

      If Peter Pan is a separate entity, he's probably a lost boy who just stands out from the others for some reason. My guess is he's the first lost boy. But then you need a reason for Hook to hate Peter.

      One thing I noted though is if Bae ended up in London first, as the episode suggests, then when he tells Emma that Earth/ this world wasn't the first one he visited, that would be a lie. As London is definitely our world.

      Oh, and one more thing. My guess is the Blue Fairy turns out to be Tinkerbell. I foresee Bae calling her out after she promised to send him to a land WITHOUT magic and the "Kid stealing shadow" would be magic. She comes from the star in the sky and we know a star can be seen from Neverland as to get there you need to follow the first one on the right. So I expect it's the same star.

      So she at least owes him some way (Fairy Dust) to save himself and return to Wendy (who he sees as his new family) to return years and years too late.

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    • I wonder if you people have paid attention to the last episode.

      1) Bae might end up leading the Lost Boys... to their homes, though. The character "Peter Pan", if he exists, seems to be a malevolent entity who uses his shadow to kidnap children and keep them in Neverland.

      2) He did not actually end up in Neverland, he was rescued by the Jolly Roger while in the sea instead, so he's not one of the lost boys either.

      3) Wendy mentioned Neverland has its host of mythological creatures, ie Sirens and Fairies.

      Also, if I'm not mistaken the creators mentioned in an interview they would introduce Tinkerbell's character. And I guess Neal did not mean to lie to Emma about Neverland, there was simply not enough time for complex explainations in that moment.

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    • Peter pan = Slender man

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    • Yeah, it has already pretty much been confirmed by the creators of the show that Bael is not Pan.  Pan is probably a lost boy who is able to defeat the evil shadow somehow so all the boys can return home?  Although, depending how long the boys have been there who knows if they would even have a family to return to.  How long had the shadow been kidnapping children?  What is it, and why does it keep the children trapped there?  I can't wait to see the rest of the story, and to find out what happens after Bae is brought aboard the JOlly Roger.  He seems to have contempt for Hook in Manhattan so I wonder what happens between them.

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    • 24.1.90.42 wrote:

      24.1.90.42 wrote: Well if Bae is Peter Pan, and I suspect he is, it would explain Hook's desire to have him killed. Because he's the one the "Crocodile" is looking for and killing him would hurt Rumple.

      If Peter Pan is a separate entity, he's probably a lost boy who just stands out from the others for some reason. My guess is he's the first lost boy. But then you need a reason for Hook to hate Peter.

      One thing I noted though is if Bae ended up in London first, as the episode suggests, then when he tells Emma that Earth/ this world wasn't the first one he visited, that would be a lie. As London is definitely our world.

      Oh, and one more thing. My guess is the Blue Fairy turns out to be Tinkerbell. I foresee Bae calling her out after she promised to send him to a land WITHOUT magic and the "Kid stealing shadow" would be magic. She comes from the star in the sky and we know a star can be seen from Neverland as to get there you need to follow the first one on the right. So I expect it's the same star.

      So she at least owes him some way (Fairy Dust) to save himself and return to Wendy (who he sees as his new family) to return years and years too late.

      The Blue Fairy may be Tink (however I don't think she will be, I hope not anyway), and she did keep her promise to send him to a Land with out magic. The shadow can travel between worlds and isn't from the land without magic but it can get to that land. She was true to her word it just seems magic has its way of seeping into places.

      Also if Peter is a seperate entity (and I truly believe he is) how about the fact that Peter is not a nice person, kidnaps children (or at least his shadow does) and leads a sinister group of boys I think would be enough of a reason for Hook not to like him.

      To me it seems that it is very likely that Bae becomes a pirate on Hook's ship and is not a Lost Boy. And I don't think he lied to Emma, he was only in our world for 6/7 months it would appear and spent probably upwards of 100 years in Neverland which makes the time spent in our world seem very short.

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    • I for one find this storyline really strange. First of all, Wendy never says Peter Pan's name in the beginning. She only ever says "He" or "the shadow" or "the boy". 


      Let's look at Peter Pan's shadow from the books. Peter Pan lost his shadow when he abruptly flew away when he was listening to one of her stories for her brothers. The window flew down and ripped his shadow off him. Peter came back again to find his shadow, tried to stick it back on, only to have Wendy gladly sew it back on for him.

      My friend and I theorised after "the second star to the right" episode (episode 21) that perhaps Peter's shadow was after his own body, which is why he kidnapped boys.   We thought it would be Baelfire. And from "and straight on til morning" season finale that I just watched... everything pointed towards it! Baelfire hated Hook, was rebellious, ready to fight like crazy...  But then the end of the episode they didn't want Baelfire, they wanted Henry (which is funny because if he never escaped/left Neverland he would never have Henry in the first place. I am a bit disappointed because Baelfire even acted a little like Peter in the end.

      Anyhoo one thing is clear. We are still not sure if this is "peter pan" the boy or still just the shadow or if they are still seperate entities. The only other reason I can come up with now is that he wants Henry to reunite him with his shadow. Or that Henry ends up reuniting him with his shadow, without Peter Pan realising. Maybe in Neverland the shadow is as important as the heart, and once having lost it you have no feelings/no heart and just become darkness.


      The other troubling part about Once Upon a Time's Peter Pan is that the people working for Peter - Tamara and Greg - are wanting to get rid of magic. They do not know who they work for, perhaps they do not even know that they are heading for peter pan?  There has been a theory going around that peter pan wants to rid magic in all worlds to make magic look more appealing to the children... so he can keep stealing them.

      The flaw there is that we just found out the boys are being taken because he is after a particular boy, Henry.

      I also find it quite odd that Rumplestilstkin is called The Dark One in his world and is linked to his dagger. In Neverland, there is Peter Pan and The Shadow... which implies magic, further darkness, and the similar sort of link between The Dark One and the Dagger, as there is with Peter Pan and his Shadow. It also makes me realise that we know a lot about Rumplestiltskin becoming The Dark One, but we do not know a lot about The Dark One. How it came to be, who it was before hand, and so on. Perhaps it is a curse or a similar predicament in many worlds? 

      Btw I would just like to say I miss the Mad Hatter and wish we got to see more about Alice and the Mad Hatter. 

      This brings me to my last point. Magic seeping into other worlds. We know there is an organisation trying to stop magic appearing in StoryBrooke's world - our world, the real world. This also happens to be a common theme so far throughout two seasons. In thefirst season we find out about The Mad Hatter and that there are many portals/ways into other worlds... and obviously Alice from our world found her way into the Queen of Hearts world.  Magic also seeped into the black and white world of Frankenstein... then the whole Blue? Dragon in China (sad we never found out who he was) or if he really did manage to survive - seems kind of silly with a magical entity like that to just be killed off for good by a simple taser... and we now have another tale where magic seeps into Wendy's world, with Peter Pan. 

      So my question here is... where is this all leading to? :)

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    • Also I am new with this site, so I didn't know how to put a username on here.... for some reason I cannot. I was the one that wrote that comment above about magic seeping through into other worlds... 

      Thanks,

      Kye 

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    • Greg and Tamara are only being told they are trying to rid magic of this world.  For all we know, they're being used as pawns in a much larger scope and goal.

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    • 122.148.95.80 wrote:
      Also I am new with this site, so I didn't know how to put a username on here.... for some reason I cannot. I was the one that wrote that comment above about magic seeping through into other worlds... 

      Thanks,

      Kye 

      that's easy. Register to wikia with a username and password and login wih them after email verification.

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    • Ya I highly doubt that. The season finally proved that wrong. He didn't want to go to never land in the first place. Oh and I don't think Neal is the kind of person who would want to kill his own son. Peter seems dead set on killing Henry.

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    • Well obviously you can say that now. This thread was posted wayyyyy before we got this information.

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    • Rubelle wrote:

      122.148.95.80 wrote:
      Also I am new with this site, so I didn't know how to put a username on here.... for some reason I cannot. I was the one that wrote that comment above about magic seeping through into other worlds... 

      Thanks,

      Kye 

      that's easy. Register to wikia with a username and password and login wih them after email verification.

      Yeah I may have seen that after I posted ^^(). See when you go to post most sites usually go "u need to sign in to post" lol. I feel a little less smart now though! :D

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    • Stonicus wrote: Greg and Tamara are only being told they are trying to rid magic of this world.  For all we know, they're being used as pawns in a much larger scope and goal.

      I think that is a good point. They do not know a lot about the person behind the organisation, only what they are "about" and who knows, that could just be a front. What about the possibility that someone who is controlling peter or peter's shadow, is actually a victim from magic and wants to rid it from the worlds? But yes the antagonist for season three is definitely pulling the strings on peter pan.

      BTW I can't seem to post in wikia mode... have to change to monebook. Whenever I click quote then type my reply and go to click preview and reply, the button is not visible properly - clicking reply or preview does absolutely nothing. :/

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    • thats a wikia bug imo. I have this too. I usually  do CTRL+A and CTRL+C and then click post, when it does not work, refresh the page and repost it.

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    • Not sure if it has been mentioned, but doesn't the black figure represent Peter Pan's Shadow? I mean, the original story had Wendy stitch back Peter's  shadow to him because he lost it. Peter is probably held captive somewhere while his Shadow run afoul.  Bae had a shadow though.

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    • Utter solitude wrote: Hit refresh and try again.

      Also, use Special:Contact/bug to let Wikia Staff know! This way, they know how common some of these annoying issues are, and can realize they need to get cracking on them.

      Thanks! :) I am totally gonna tell them I just typed an awesome reply to a person above, hit reply (I swear it sent!) then came back later and refreshed the page to see any replies. Looked at the page and saw that it had not appeared! D: I'll get around to typing it up again ^^()

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    • No Baelfire is not peter pan,did you watch sunday's episode? Felix said Peter Pan Never fails for all we know peter pan could be felix it sort of seems like it though when he said that he had sort of a smile on his face maybe he was talking about himself.... my theory is this peter pan never had a family before so either hook could be the father or mr.gold or regina took care of peter pan maybe thats how peter pan takes out someone's shadow,regina or gold must of put magic in him and Henry is not going to be the next peter pan,Henry doesn't have it in him to be peter pan....

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    • Shepard1222989 wrote: No Baelfire is not peter pan,did you watch sunday's episode? Felix said Peter Pan Never fails for all we know peter pan could be felix it sort of seems like it though when he said that he had sort of a smile on his face maybe he was talking about himself.... my theory is this peter pan never had a family before so either hook could be the father or mr.gold or regina took care of peter pan maybe thats how peter pan takes out someone's shadow,regina or gold must of put magic in him and Henry is not going to be the next peter pan,Henry doesn't have it in him to be peter pan....

      Didn't you watch the last part of the episode? They looked at the crystal ball and everyone else seemed stumped as to where that was, only Hook knew. Secondly, Hook can't be Peter Pan's father... in the last two episodes he didn't seem to know much about the boy at all, save for that he tears your shadow off you. Mr Gold only has one son, Bae, as he has spent pretty much most of his life trying to get to Bae... it doesn't make sense that he would have another kid. Especially as he was too evil to fall in love with anyone save for Belle.

      While I agree that Henry isn't Peter Pan, we don't know what Henry is capable of. He is a kid that keeps getting pushed behind others for protection. He hasn't had a chance to tap into his abilities. He is the child of Emma - who is magical and special - and Baelfire, who has Rumpel for a father... Henry has to be something pretty damn special to be linked to all of that.

      And the whole implying that Peter Pan got magic from someone else... haven't you ever read the books or watched the movies? Tinkerbell is his source of magic, and he has a magic all of his own which was supposed to be because he was truly carefree and happy all the time... this tale has put a spin on things but it won't rule out Tinkerbell!

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    • How can Peter Pan be looking for Henry at the same time when Baelfire is brought to shore as a boy? He's Henry's father, and as he's still a kid, Henry doesn't exist yet. Or does Neverland exist outside of time, so the lost boys have access to portals where they can pop in on any time? So they'd be like time travelers???

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    • It may have been just a prophecy. Many prophecy's tell about the future even if it is very far away. Peter probably also didn't know that Henry wasn't born at the time he started searching

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    • Actually Bealfire is Peter Pan because the shadow that came to the Darling home looks just like Bealfire and Bealfire knew about Neverland and in the flashback of when Bealfire was younger ( Before he met Emma and had Henry ) Smee told Hook in I quote " he knows Neverland more then we do " ( talking about Bealfire ) so that's a little bit of prove Bealfire is Peter Pan ( + Younger Bealfire who is played by Dylan Schmid is really cute ) and  Felix is just a lost boy because Peter pan never ages and Bealfire was just a boy still and Felix is a grown up ( actually all the lost boys are grown-ups I wonder why? ) so that's also proves that Bealfire is Peter Pan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    • No when Hook says "HE knows Neverland more then we do." he was indicating the shadow. Peter Pan is just always at his home base in the tree and lets the Lost Boys and HIM do the dirty work for him.

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    • At the end of Strait on till morning, the blondie working for The Shadow said:

      "It's your lucky day boy you get to live. Put him with the others."

      Which means Bae must be one of the lost boys.

      Next Blondie says:

      Of course we will, ..... Peter Pan never fails.

      Which must mean Blondie is Peter.

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    • 74.190.245.131 wrote:
      At the end of Strait on till morning, the blondie working for The Shadow said:

      "It's your lucky day boy you get to live. Put him with the others."

      Which means Bae must be one of the lost boys.

      Next Blondie says:

      Of course we will, ..... Peter Pan never fails.

      Which must mean Blondie is Peter.

      Well, Bae could be one of the Lost Boys, but then there'd have to be, like 2 groups of lost boys. There'd be the Lost Ones, led by Felix (Blondie) and then the good Lost Boys, the ones from the actual fairy tale, made up of boys rescued from the ones the Shadow captured. If this is the case then maybe there's some sort of a war going on between the real and good Peter Pan and his Shadow, who's the bad Peter Pan and the one Felix refers to.

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    • Royalfortressmeadow wrote:
      It's pretty much confirmed that Baelfire/Neal is Peter Pan. In the "The Queen is Dead" Canadian promo, Neal told Emma that he knew Hook and that Earth wasn't his first stop because if he was he would've been a hundred or so years old by now, a hint that it was Neverland that he went to.

      But Earth WAS his first stop.

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    • 74.190.245.131 wrote: At the end of Strait on till morning, the blondie working for The Shadow said:

      "It's your lucky day boy you get to live. Put him with the others."

      Which means Bae must be one of the lost boys.

      Next Blondie says:

      Of course we will, ..... Peter Pan never fails.

      Which must mean Blondie is Peter.

      How on earth is Blondie, Peter Pan? Who the hell talks in third person? Have you ever read or seen the Peter Pan movies? Has he ever talked about himself in third person? >_<

      Say this out loud "of course WE will (find him), Peter Pan never fails" watch that part again in the episode. He is saying that WE referring to the Lost Ones/Boys - and Peter Pan as in THE Peter Pan, referring to another person. Blondie is NOT Peter Pan.

      Lastly, they are currently looking for a 13 year old boy to cast Peter Pan, ergo, we have not seen Peter Pan yet. I can't believe people on here are still discussing this! There have been people further above saying similar things.

      Do we understand now? Peter Pan has not yet been cast, we have not seen who Peter Pan is. Therefore: 1. Blondie is not Peter Pan 2. Neal or Henry are not Peter Pan. Just in case we get more people coming in with these theories and not reading above.

      Sorry for being a little grouchy, but when you have people continuously debunking something, then another person coming on and putting that exact same theory across, it makes you want to scream. It feels like we are going around in circles. I skimmed through this entire thread when I first came across here after the season finale. Why can't other new people do the same?? *cries*

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    • It was also confirmed that Neal isn't Peter Pan as they were casting a 13 year old boy, like Kewalaus said. They said he wouldn't even appear in season 2, just like Ariel. But I'm sure we are going to see those two (and possibly also Tink) in the next season.

      Ariel is probably going to replace Ruby as main character too. I heard somewhere that the writers had big plans for her. And I hope Tink will have some background with the Blue Fairy. I know that Keegan is busy with others shows too, but a guest appearance won't hurt, right?

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    • Although, I agree that Tink was the one who brought Neal back to the real world, since in Secret of the Wings, she's known as The Bordercrosser, so maybe there will be an episode like that. Introudcing Tink as The Bordercrosser from NL to RW, including SB. She found out that Emma was pregnant with Henry, pretended to be a Fostercarer who does closed adoptions as Emma requested. But she knew of Neal, because his real name was Baelfire but she renamed him as Neal. So Tink could have the counterpart of Ms. Cassady. Well, if it's not Henry, then I am lost. I want him to, though. It would make sense for Tinkerbell's introudction. She will meet up with Bae again, who calls him Neal. But, Emma calls her Ms. Bell. or whatever, oh nevermind.

      I still think Zoso created The Prophecy, Rumple's final test was to see if he could face his fear of the war. When he said that Bae couldn't not be Rumple's son. It reminded me of Merlin, who can see the future but not so much, bcos all the pieces are like a puzzle. I still think the Seer was working for Merlin, bcos e lost his son, King Arthur. He could reunite Bae with Rumple, until to find out he killed his father, instead of Artie and Merle as best friends, they could be father and son. Then while the Gang are in NL, Rumple starts to become haunted by the ghost of Zoso. Reminding him that he kills Henry, Bae will be Fatherless, once again or something to that tone, then realises once he sees Bae with Arthur, dun dun dun DUNNNN. Artie's the boy, he kills Arthur to be rid of Zoso in his head, but didn't realise Arthur is not and somehow Zoso comes back to life, but as Merlin.

      You don't have to agree. I'm just thinking out loud, bcos I'mma HUGE Fan of Chucky. And, because Regina's always wanted Chucky as her sidekick, maybe this day will come. RegalTHEWizard FTW!!!

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    • Sorry, I meant Lana said at ComicCon 2012 that she wanted Chucky as a sidekick, so maybe they might bring back Zoso/Brad Dourif in Season 3. Then something will happen there, an alliance maybe.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote: It was also confirmed that Neal isn't Peter Pan as they were casting a 13 year old boy, like Kewalaus said. They said he wouldn't even appear in season 2, just like Ariel. But I'm sure we are going to see those two (and possibly also Tink) in the next season.

      Ariel is probably going to replace Ruby as main character too. I heard somewhere that the writers had big plans for her. And I hope Tink will have some background with the Blue Fairy. I know that Keegan is busy with others shows too, but a guest appearance won't hurt, right?

      Ooh hadn't heard about Ariel coming into the show. I would love for her to be a main character. I hope she isn't as dimwitted as the disney version though, I mean I love Ariel for her curiosity but damn it that girl had no sense! I would also love for the idea of Tink and the Blue Fairy working together! I would also love for Peter Pan being used by some evil being. I think if they do bring Ariel into it, she might be part of Neverland? That would tie in nicely. I'd love to see who they made Eric though... Screw Charming! Eric and Aladdin were always my favourite princes! XD I'd also love to see Aladdin come into play at some point.

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    • 121.74.142.17 wrote: Sorry, I meant Lana said at ComicCon 2012 that she wanted Chucky as a sidekick, so maybe they might bring back Zoso/Brad Dourif in Season 3. Then something will happen there, an alliance maybe.

      Who is chucky? Which one does Lana play again? And I can't for the life of me remember who Zoso is. Was that the genie? :/

      Also your post above... no idea what on earth you meant there. We don't know anything about Arthur yet... we only know the Black Knight mentioned him. It would be good to see that but, quite frankly, I think it would be better without King Arthur - unless they can do something no on has ever done with Arthur and Merlin before (but the tv series Merlin kinda already went there and beyond) I think it would be a waste of time. Arthur has been done countless times before. Books, plays, musicals, tv series and movies. I would prefer Peter Pan and Aladdin - the least done of all the fantasy stories.

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    • Kewlausgirl wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote: It was also confirmed that Neal isn't Peter Pan as they were casting a 13 year old boy, like Kewalaus said. They said he wouldn't even appear in season 2, just like Ariel. But I'm sure we are going to see those two (and possibly also Tink) in the next season.

      Ariel is probably going to replace Ruby as main character too. I heard somewhere that the writers had big plans for her. And I hope Tink will have some background with the Blue Fairy. I know that Keegan is busy with others shows too, but a guest appearance won't hurt, right?

      Ooh hadn't heard about Ariel coming into the show. I would love for her to be a main character. I hope she isn't as dimwitted as the disney version though, I mean I love Ariel for her curiosity but damn it that girl had no sense! I would also love for the idea of Tink and the Blue Fairy working together! I would also love for Peter Pan being used by some evil being. I think if they do bring Ariel into it, she might be part of Neverland? That would tie in nicely. I'd love to see who they made Eric though... Screw Charming! Eric and Aladdin were always my favourite princes! XD I'd also love to see Aladdin come into play at some point.

      I did have an idea for Ariel. Because Hook mentioned several times that the mermaids in Neverland are very dangerous, and probably are Siren-like mermaids. What if Ariel is one of the mermaids, but has a good heart, not wanting to kill someone. However then we probably won't see King Triton or Atlantica (unless that lies underneath Neverland).

      For Tink I had the idea that she once was an apprentice of the Blue Fairy (like Nova). But she messed things up and went to Neverland with a magic bean where she befriended Peter Pan. She acted as the light for Peter, but she was kidnapped by Hook (like in the Disney version) and couldn't act as Peter's light anymore leaving Peter to be consumed by the darkness. Since at this point it seems Peter is a bad guy

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    • 121.74.142.17 wrote:
      You don't have to agree. I'm just thinking out loud, bcos I'mma HUGE Fan of Chucky. And, because Regina's always wanted Chucky as her sidekick, maybe this day will come. RegalTHEWizard FTW!!!

      No...just......no. Biggest load I have EVER heard. For numerous reasons, there is no way in hell that stupid doll is coming onto this show. I'm not even going to start.  

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    • Kewlausgirl wrote:

      74.190.245.131 wrote: At the end of Strait on till morning, the blondie working for The Shadow said:

      "It's your lucky day boy you get to live. Put him with the others."

      Which means Bae must be one of the lost boys.

      Next Blondie says:

      Of course we will, ..... Peter Pan never fails.

      Which must mean Blondie is Peter.

      How on earth is Blondie, Peter Pan? Who the hell talks in third person? Have you ever read or seen the Peter Pan movies? Has he ever talked about himself in third person? >_<

      Say this out loud "of course WE will (find him), Peter Pan never fails" watch that part again in the episode. He is saying that WE referring to the Lost Ones/Boys - and Peter Pan as in THE Peter Pan, referring to another person. Blondie is NOT Peter Pan.

      Lastly, they are currently looking for a 13 year old boy to cast Peter Pan, ergo, we have not seen Peter Pan yet. I can't believe people on here are still discussing this! There have been people further above saying similar things.

      Do we understand now? Peter Pan has not yet been cast, we have not seen who Peter Pan is. Therefore: 1. Blondie is not Peter Pan 2. Neal or Henry are not Peter Pan. Just in case we get more people coming in with these theories and not reading above.

      Sorry for being a little grouchy, but when you have people continuously debunking something, then another person coming on and putting that exact same theory across, it makes you want to scream. It feels like we are going around in circles. I skimmed through this entire thread when I first came across here after the season finale. Why can't other new people do the same?? *cries*

      But at the same time,directors of a show or movie like to put in surprises... Remember how not many people knew about Dr.whale?and yet towards the end of the episode you find out that he is Dr. Frankenstein ... or just look at what christopher nolan said about the dark knight rises.people asked him hey is robin going to be in it? he said no he won't be in it..and yet towards the end of the movie the blake guy say's I like the name robin...blake never said oh i'm robin... it's sort of like what felix said of course we will it may take time but peter pan never fails... and in dark knight rises they had another surprise character and her name was miranda tate nobody knew who she was and yet you find out she was Talia al Ghul

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    • Only this isn't the Dark Knight Rises. Felix can't be Peter Pan since they are still going to cast him and they also said Peter wouldn't appear in Season 2. And I would hate it if Felix was Peter since he doesn't fit Peter Pan at all. I prefer to let Peter Pan look like the one of the 2003 film

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    • I know I was just sayng that directors throw out surprises and 2003 actor did a great job as peter pan but now he is a bad guy in once upon a time I was trying to think of some actors who cnap lay him but I really can't think of any I thought about ezra miller?he has the look of a bad guy...

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    • Seriously, dude... Can we -stop- spoiling Batman already!??? This is the second thread -_-

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    • Shepard1222989 wrote:
      I know I was just sayng that directors throw out surprises and 2003 actor did a great job as peter pan but now he is a bad guy in once upon a time I was trying to think of some actors who cnap lay him but I really can't think of any I thought about ezra miller?he has the look of a bad guy...

      Not that the 2003 actor should play him (as he probably is too old now for the role) but that the appearance looks nice. I like that outfit much better than Disney's one. And I'm bad with actors, so I wouldn't know who that is.

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    • DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Shepard1222989 wrote:
      I know I was just sayng that directors throw out surprises and 2003 actor did a great job as peter pan but now he is a bad guy in once upon a time I was trying to think of some actors who cnap lay him but I really can't think of any I thought about ezra miller?he has the look of a bad guy...
      Not that the 2003 actor should play him (as he probably is too old now for the role) but that the appearance looks nice. I like that outfit much better than Disney's one. And I'm bad with actors, so I wouldn't know who that is.


      I agree with you  but I doubt he would be in it,since peter pan is a bad guy... but you are right though the 2003 outfit seemed more Believeable then the traditional one,oh and ezra miller is the guy from perks of being a wallflower

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    • Shepard1222989 wrote:

      DarKingdomHearts wrote:
      Shepard1222989 wrote:
      I know I was just sayng that directors throw out surprises and 2003 actor did a great job as peter pan but now he is a bad guy in once upon a time I was trying to think of some actors who cnap lay him but I really can't think of any I thought about ezra miller?he has the look of a bad guy...
      Not that the 2003 actor should play him (as he probably is too old now for the role) but that the appearance looks nice. I like that outfit much better than Disney's one. And I'm bad with actors, so I wouldn't know who that is.


      I agree with you  but I doubt he would be in it,since peter pan is a bad guy... but you are right though the 2003 outfit seemed more Believeable then the traditional one,oh and ezra miller is the guy from perks of being a wallflower

      You guys mentioned they like to throw in surprises.. yet you guys seem so insistent on him being a bad guy. I think it is more of a possibility that he is being controlled by someone, or power consumed... Rumple was good before he went bad. Besides you can't have a legendary hero-like character become bad, just like that. Sure you can have misinterpreted bad guys, like Hook which they did really well with, I must say. Everything is pointing to the Shadow stealing boys as the Shadow and/or Peter Pan is looking for Henry. We have no idea of the agenda, the reason or Peter Pan's story yet. That part is at least a surprise - why he is doing all of this.

      Surprises such as who Peter Pan turns out to be cannot be swayed in filming as it is hard to keep that much of a surprise secret when they said he hasn't appeared in season 2 and they are looking for a 13 year old to play him. However, putting a twist such as Peter Pan's shadow being controlled by someone else and someone else being the villain can definitely fall into play here. Or that his shadow is out of control, or that he is consumed by power.

      I do agree with the 2003 film though. I was 18 when that came out, felt horrified being hugely smitten with a 13 year old at the time, and still to this day (27 years old) that kid still captivates me! It has to be the best peter pan I have ever seen. Almost as true to the book too (though certain things don't really happen lol.. Wendy has more of a feminist role in the movie haha) and Peter Pan is definitely portrayed well as a womaniser. I was a little disappointed that it wasn't all alluring to Wendy and all, but guess they don't want to follow down that path if it was done really well in the movie. If anything this series likes taking the original stories and putting even more of a twist on them - perhaps not as dark as the original tales though, thankfully. From all the Peter Pan movies that have been made, if you count Hook as well, most of the focus have been either him growing up, or in 2003 movie, darker side to him luring Wendy away, but careless and reckless, to the disney sequel where he comes across the new age 'woman' - Jane. I think it was Jane, anyhow. Not a lot has been focused on him and his shadow, or him and the lost boys. So I think the twist will lie somewhere there... That's also why I definitely don't think he is going to be evil as such, I think there is another villain for season 3, and Peter will be just the lackey.. or soon to be hero.


      On another note, it is going to be so awesome to see what they do with Ariel's story. :D

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    • 209.221.90.250 wrote:
      121.74.142.17 wrote:
      You don't have to agree. I'm just thinking out loud, bcos I'mma HUGE Fan of Chucky. And, because Regina's always wanted Chucky as her sidekick, maybe this day will come. RegalTHEWizard FTW!!!
      No...just......no. Biggest load I have EVER heard. For numerous reasons, there is no way in hell that stupid doll is coming onto this show. I'm not even going to start.  

      Ohmigod. Zoso is Claude Frollo, which kind of makes Rumple, Quasimodo. Are you kidding?! Think about it?! LMAO. Makes sense. Rumple needs his master back, right about now. Since Neal's lost again, to his eyes, Bae's dead and now Henry's next. "ALL MAGIC COMES WITH A PRICE."- quote from Zoso to Rumplestiltskin. Idiot.

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    • None of that indicates that Bae is Peter Pan. Bae meets his shadow and is hidden from "Peter Pan" when aboard Hook's ship. Yes he spends time on Neverland which is why he escapes 300 years of aging (Not a hundred something as some people suggested) Rumple is over 300 years old when the curse is enacted. meaning Bae spent about 250 years in Neverland before entering back into the real world and running into Emma and starting his Destiny. 

      He is not Pan, Pan is a villian that exists prior to Bae ever making it to Neverland. And they believe he is the boy that Pan is looking for because of his blood....not knowing he is the father of the boy they are looking for. How could Bae be Pan and be searching for a Son he never knew he would have, in a land he never expected to return to. Not to mention He had NO IDEA who Henry was when he met him in New York, if he was Pan he would have had a look of surprise, or happiness behind his eye's in their moment of meeting. No matter how old, or new a movie or show series is, when someone see's someone they know, a face they know, even if they fake knowing who they are, there is always a little hint given in their performance, its a typically expected move within the trade of acting. 

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      • NOTE: This is a long post.

      I have a new theory, what if.. while in NL.. Bae was held captive as a Lost Boy. Yet, Peter returned to London to see Wendy for the last time. Only this time, since WE ALL FOUND OUT THE SHADOW IS EVIL. What if, contributing to the Originns of Peter Pan's Story. Peter followed his shadow to Wendy's window, seemed like weeks after he found out Bae wasn't the boy he wanted. But it was actually a week later. So he decided to back for Michael, only this time, he joined his shadow, miles behind. Yet, he and Wendy fought about things. She asked him, where is Bae? Peter said, "What's a Bae?" and this led to them fighting and ended with Wendy falling out the window, the moment she sowed Pan's shadow back onto him and Peter freaked out when he realised or thought Wendy wasn't pretending to play dead. Later, The Darling's came outside and found Wendy dead and they see Peter flying away. Peter killed Wendy and this started the EVIL ENTITY taking over Peter Pan's childlike personality. After Bae wasn't the boy. He made sure that he would find Henry,. bcos deep inside, Peter was STILL in there and that he needed to change. Peter swore to himself that he would find Henry to replace him to redeem himself for been the reason why Wendy died and yet, John told his parents it was Peter Pan who killed her.

      • This started The Home Office. Ohmigod.

      This is where Peter returns to NL to find the lost boy named Bae. They meet. Peter tells him that Wendy is dead and Bae is confused, but Peter admits that it was an accident. He admits to Bae that he loved her once, but he killed her, bcos she wanted him to change and he refused her request.. so Bae challenges him to a duel and they fight. Only that this time, Bae kills Peter, yet his destiny, his future, his quest to find the boy who looks like Henry. Is continued by Bae as the NEW Peter Pan. For at least, two centuries in NL. Hook and Bae fight constantly, where Hook doesn't want to fight Bae. He tells Hook that his mother deserved to die, if it meant that his Papa did it for a reason. Though, Bae knows that Hook was the reason why his parents were driven apart. Bae still calls him a coward, and orders him to fight, while the Lost Ones follow behind him and steal their goods. Bae knows his Papa took Hook's hand for killing his mother. He then, finds clocks around the Jolly Roger and throws them at Hook. Saying, "Tick Tock.. Hook." Bae becomes certain that Hook will pay for tearing apart HIS Parents, making him an Orphan. He promises that one day, Hook will pay. This is when, Pan's shadow is following Bae's orders. To continue, the Old Peter's quest to finding the boy he wanted, before Bae killed Peter. So, Bae as Neal realises that Henry is his son, the same boy who looked like the one is on the parchment when he was a 14 y/o boy back in NL. He is confused and is freaking out in Manhattan episode.

      Overall, he loved Tamara before the SOTM finale, but he never stopped loving Emma. She reminded him more of Wendy. Like Emma, she believed in Peter Pan's story of Neverland, but not the way we remembered it. This might prove, he is Peter Pan. But, if he isn't.. then we'd only know Bae as Neal, but also was a Lost Boy from NL and was an orphan from FTL that Bae ran away to LWM, sacraficed himself to be captive in NL. What if, when Peter's shadow followd his orders. Realised when he took Bae out of NL, Peter woke up. He wasn't truly dead as Bae thought, bcos maybe Tinkerbell perserved his body for as long as she could to keep Peter alive.. and that the REAL Peter Pan is still alive, while te one who stole his identity is now back in FTL recvering from an injury. Yet, he found out that Tamara shot Neal, knew he was Bae. So, in order for his quest to be fulfilled. It was actually, Tinkerbell who told those two goons, G/T to take Henry, bcos she is INDIFINITELY The Boss of Home Office. Protecing Peter's whereabouts that he is still alive, she was the first fairy to come to LWM, not the BF. She exiled to live alone with Peter Pan and left FTL, who took Peter from the LWM to inhabit in NL. This means, the Shadow is Peter's dark side, yet Tinkerbell is controlling Rumple's Undoing by getting Henry to NL.. Peter is only one step further to becoming the NEW Dark One of Neverland. But will always be The Lost One of Neverland.

      Or, this is complete nonsense and there's no fact to support my evidence.

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