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Aine1989·1/3/2017 in Character Discussion

Emma's age when with Neal

(posting this here so it doesn't clog up the other thread)

Emma was 16 when she was with Neal.

Henry's birthday cannot be in August because he was already 10 in October (on Emma's birthday) then in when he meets Neal (mid season 2) he was 11. Season 1 ends within a week or two of Valentine's Day and (I can't be certain as I haven't watched season 2 in a long while) lasts roughly a month, at most. So 2x14 had to have taken place around mid-late March, possibly early April at a real stretch, in 2012.

So he turned 11 March/April 2012, so was born March/April 2001. Emma would be 18 the following October. The working backwards, he was conceived in June/July 2000 (which makes sense as A&E said Emma and Neal were together "for a summer". She was 16, 17 that October.

Now on to the relationship. Nevermind the legalities for a second, there is a huge maturity difference between 16 and 23. He was an adult and she was a child (a homeless, love starved, slightly naive child at that). Frankly I find the idea of a man his twenties manipulating a child into a date, drinking with her and then planning to move in with and start a life with her quite repulsive (seriously watching that fake pregnancy scene and the motel scene with Emma's real age in mind..... ugh). She was not old or mature enough to either consent to sex (and I doubt she'd have ever had much sex ed to begin with given that she ran away from Ingrid when she was 13/14 and had likely been homeless all that time) or start a home and new life with him.

[think this says it all really]

In Oregon, where they were, the age of consent is 18. So it was illegal

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Hmcooper4·1/6/2017

Ok, first I'll say it again (and this is what everyone has been saying).

Emma Birthday is in october. She is 28 (Pilot)

Henry's birthday is in August (Dark Swan)

Henry is 10 years old when he first meets Emma (Pilot)

So 10 years and 11 months prior to Emma's 28th birthday, Henry was conceived.

Simple math, Emma was 17 at that time.

How anyone fells about Neal and Emma's relationship is up to their own beliefs and opinions.

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Aine1989·1/6/2017

Hmcooper4 wrote:
Ok, first I'll say it again (and this is what everyone has been saying).
Emma Birthday is in october. She is 28 (Pilot)
Henry's birthday is in August (Dark Swan)
Henry is 10 years old when he first meets Emma (Pilot)
So 10 years and 11 months prior to Emma's 28th birthday, Henry was conceived.
Simple math, Emma was 17 at that time.
How anyone fells about Neal and Emma's relationship is up to their own beliefs and opinions.

Except his birthday cannot be in August since he was 11 within 6 months of the pilot!!!

Established age from earlier in the show takes priority over a thrown in Lost reference from season 5 that the wrtiers clearly didn't think through

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Aine1989·1/6/2017

Nightlily wrote:

Aine1989 wrote:
Yep the writers did screw up the maths; Emma and Neal met in 2000 not 2001. Clearly, the wiki (which isn't a totally reliable source) does not go with what the show says because Henry's birthday cannot possibly be in August. Unless it is, then Neal is not his father.

We do go with what the show says, and the show says 2001. It is stated, clearly and directly, on-screen, in a title card in "There's No Place Like Home". And if they met in 2001, Henry would, naturally, have been born in August 2001, or later. The year 2001 is also backed up by the fact that Emma was 18 when she gave birth to Henry - something that is established in two' other episodes. Sorry, but with the sheer amount of clear and direct in-show information suggesting that they met in 2001, and very little in-show information suggesting that it was in 2000, we will continue to go with the year 2001.

The in show information suggesting 2000 is Henry's biological age. It's not like they haven't messed up with timestampts before.

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Nightlily·1/6/2017

Aine1989 wrote:
Except his birthday cannot be in August since he was 11 within 6 months of the pilot!!!
Established age from earlier in the show takes priority over a thrown in Lost reference from season 5 that the wrtiers clearly didn't think through

Except that the "established age" that you are referring to, was never actually established - I've stated, again, and again, that we don't actually know how much time passed between Valentine's Day 2012 in "Skin Deep" and mid season 2. And you already know (because it's been pointed out several times) that the date is not based on the Lost reference alone, but also on the year they met (2001) and Emma's age when she gave birth to Henry (eighteen).

Oh, and about the three exclamation points: there is no need to shout, we read you perfectly well ;-)

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Lady Junky·1/6/2017

I really don't get the point now, this is just turning around and around the same. We all know that Henry is 11, cos of maths, but Aine wants to think something else so ^^

"Established age from earlier in the show takes priority over a thrown in Lost reference from season 5" but this thing is wrong. An older info has not priority over a new one in the canon. Not how it works.

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Nightlily·1/6/2017

Aine1989 wrote:
The in show information suggesting 2000 is Henry's biological age. It's not like they haven't messed up with timestampts before.

Then I really don't see the point in continuing this conversation, since you've already been presented with all the evidence to the contrary, again and again; yet you refuse to budge. Now, you are, of course, free to believe whatever you want, but this wiki views the year 2001 as well established and correct, and will continue to do so.

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Aine1989·1/6/2017

Nightlily wrote:

Aine1989 wrote:
The in show information suggesting 2000 is Henry's biological age. It's not like they haven't messed up with timestampts before.

Then I really don't see the point in continuing this conversation, since you've already been presented with all the evidence to the contrary, again and again; yet you refuse to budge. Now, you are, of course, free to believe whatever you want, but this wiki views the year 2001 as well established and correct, and will continue to do so.

I have actually provided canon evidence several times and yet you have refused to listen to me and think that a throwaway Lost reference is more important than 6 seasons of Henry's established age.

And regardless of 16 or 17, she was a child and Neal was an adult. That is sexual abuse. And just creepy. Emma was in no way mature enough to consent to sex, let alone sex with an adult (especially when you think about the power imbalance between the two)

[pictures! (This time with a 23 year old MRJ0]

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Lady Junky·1/7/2017

Can we close this thread please? Apparently, the only reason of it is just to trash on a character and a ship so...

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Aine1989·1/7/2017

Lady Junky wrote:
Can we close this thread please? Apparently, the only reason of it is just to trash on a character and a ship so...

Actually it was made to avoid clogging up another thread.

And as long as we can close the "CS is bad for Emma" one too

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Eskaver·1/7/2017

Will do. Closing thread as the answer was fullfilled, all else aside.

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